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Angry/negative people can be bad for your brain

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Everyone's favorite A-list target, Robert Scoble, announced the unthinkable a few days ago: he will be moderating his comments. But what some people found far more disturbing was Robert's wish to make a change in his life that includes steering clear of "people who were deeply unhappy" and hanging around people who are happy. The harsh reaction he's gotten could be a lesson in scientific ingorance, because the neuroscience is behind him on this one.

Whether it's a good move is up to each person to decide, but I've done my best here to offer some facts. [Disclaimer: I'm not an authority on the brain! I have, however, spent the last 15 years doing research and applying it, both in my work and also because I have a serious brain disorder, and my brain knowledge could be a matter of life and death. Another disclaimer: I haven't spoken with Robert about this; I'm simply offering some science that supports the decision he may have made for entirely different reasons.]

A few things I'll try to explain in this post:

1) One of the most important recent neuroscience discoveries--"mirror neurons", and the role they play in a decision like Robert's

2) The heavily-researched social science phenomenon known as "emotional contagion"

3) Ignorance and misperceptions around the idea of "happy people"


Mirror Neurons

Mirror neurons have been referred to by scientists like V.S. Rmachandran as one of the most important neuroscientific breakthroughs of recent history. This Nova video is a great introduction, but here's the condensed version:

There is now strong evidence to suggest that humans have the same type of "mirror neurons" found in monkeys. It's what these neurons do that's amazing--they activate in the same way when you're watching someone else do something as they do when you're doing it yourself! This mirroring process/capability is thought to be behind our ability to empathize, but you can imagine the role these neurons have played in keeping us alive as a species. We learn from watching others. We learn from imitating (mirroring) others. The potential problem, though, is that these neurons go happily about their business of imitating others without our conscious intention.

Think about that...

Although the neuroscientific findings are new, your sports coach and your parents didn't need to know the cause to recognize the effects:

"Choose your role models carefully."
"Watching Michael Jordan will help you get better."
"You're hanging out with the wrong crowd; they're a bad influence."
"Don't watch people doing it wrong... watch the experts!"

We've all experienced it. How often have you found yourself sliding into the accent of those around you? Spend a month in England and even a California valley girl sounds different. Spend a week in Texas and even a native New Yorker starts slowing down his speech. How often have you found yourself laughing, dressing, skiing like your closest friend? Has someone ever observed that you and a close friend or significant other had similar mannerisms? When I was in junior high school, it was tough for people to tell my best friends and I apart on the phone--we all sounded so much alike that we could fool even our parents.

But the effect of our innate ability and need to imitate goes way past teenage phone tricks. Spend time with a nervous, anxious person and physiological monitoring would most likely show you mimicking the anxiety and nervousness, in ways that affect your brain and body in a concrete, measurable way. Find yourself in a room full of pissed off people and feel the smile slide right off your face. Listen to people complaining endlessly about work, and you'll find yourself starting to do the same. How many of us have been horrified to suddenly realize that we've spent the last half-hour caught up in a gossip session--despite our strong aversion to gossip? The behavior of others we're around is nearly irresistible.

When we're consciously aware and diligent, we can fight this. But the stress of maintaining that conscious struggle against an unconscious, ancient process is a non-stop stressful drain on our mental, emotional, and physical bandwidth. And no, I'm not suggesting that we can't or should'nt spend time with people who are angry, negative, critical, depressed, gossiping, whatever. Some (including my sister and father) chose professions (nurse practitioner and cop, respectively) that demand it. And some (like my daughter) volunteer to help those who are suffering (in her case, the homeless). Some people don't want to avoid their more hostile family members. But in those situations--where we choose to be with people who we do not want to mirror--we have to be extremely careful! Nurses, cops, mental health workers, EMTs, social workers, red cross volunteers, fire fighters, psychiatrists, oncologists, etc. are often at a higher risk (in some cases, WAY higher) for burnout, alcholism, divorce, stress, or depression unless they take specific steps to avoid getting too sucked in to be effective.

So, when Robert says he wants to spend time hanging around "happy people" and keeping his distance from "deeply unhappy" people, he's keeping his brain from making--over the long term--negative structural and chemical changes. Regarding the effect of mirror neurons and emotional contagion on personal performance, neurologist Richard Restak offers this advice:

"If you want to accomplish something that demands determination and endurance, try to surround yourself with people possessing these qualities. And try to limit the time you spend with people given to pessimism and expressions of futility. Unfortunately, negative emotions exert a more powerful effect in social situations than positive ones, thanks to the phenomena of emotional contagion."

This sounds harsh, and it is, but it's his recommendation based on the facts as the neuroscientists interpret them today. This is not new age self-help--it's simply the way brains work.

Emotional Contagion

Steven Stosny, an expert on road rage, is quoted in Restak's book:

"Anger and resentment are thet most contagious of emotions," according to Stonsy. "If you are near a resentful or angry person, you are more prone to become resentful or angry yourself. If one driver engages in angry gestures and takes on the facial expressions of hostility, surrounding drivers will unconsciously imitate the behavior--resulting in an escalation of anger and resentment in all of the drivers. Added to this, the drivers are now more easily startled as a result of the outpouring of adrenaline accompanying their anger. The result is a temper tantrum that can easily escalate into road rage."

If you were around one or more people with a potentially harmful contagious disease, you would probably take steps to protect yourself in some way. And if you were the contagious one, you'd likely take steps to protect others until you were sure the chance of infecting someone else was gone.

But while we all have a lot of respect for physical biological contagions, we do NOT have much respect for physical emotional contagions. (I said "physical", because science has known for quite some time that "emotions" are not simply a fuzzy-feeling concept, but represent physical changes in the brain.)

From a paper on Memetics and Social Contagion,

"...social scientific research has largely confirmed the thesis that affect, attitudes, beliefs and behaviour can indeed spread through populations as if they were somehow infectious. Simple exposure sometimes appears to be a sufficient condition for social transmission to occur. This is the social contagion thesis; that sociocultural phenomena can spread through, and leap between, populations more like outbreaks of measels or chicken pox than through a process of rational choice."

Emotional contagion is considered one of the primary drivers of group/mob behavior, and the recent work on "mirror neurons" helps explain the underlying cause. But it's not just about groups. From a Cambridge University Press book:
"When we are talking to someone who is depressed it may make us feel depressed, whereas if we talk to someone who is feeling self-confident and buoyant we are likely to feel good about ourselves. This phenomenon, known as emotional contagion, is identified here, and compelling evidence for its affect is offered from a variety of disciplines - social and developmental psychology, history, cross-cultural psychology, experimental psychology, and psychopathology."

[For a business management perspective, see the Yale School of Management paper titled The Ripple Effect: Emotional Contagion In Groups]

Can any of us honestly say we haven't experienced emotional contagion? Even if we ourselves haven't felt our energy drain from being around a perpetually negative person, we've watched it happen to someone we care about. We've noticed a change in ourselves or our loved ones based on who we/they spend time with. We've all known at least one person who really did seem able to "light up the room with their smile," or another who could "kill the mood" without saying a word. We've all found ourselves drawn to some people and not others, based on how we felt around them, in ways we weren't able to articulate.

So, Robert's choice makes sense if he is concerned about the damaging effects of emotional contagion. But... that still leaves one big issue: is "catching" only positive emotions a Good Thing? Does this mean surrounding ourselves with "fake" goodness and avoiding the truth? Does surrounding ourselves with "happy people" mean we shut down critical thinking skills?


Happy People

The notion of "Happy People" was tossed around in the Robert-Lost-His-Mind posts as something ridiculous at best, dangerous at worst. One blogger equated "happy people" with "vacuous". The idea seems to be that "happy people" implies those who are oblivious to the realities of life, in a fantasy of their own creation, and without the ability to think critically. The science, however, suggests just the opposite.

Neuroscience has made a long, intense study of the brain's fear system--one of the oldest, most primitive parts of our brain. Anger and negativity usually stem from the anxiety and/or fear response in the brain, and one thing we know for sure--when the brain thinks its about to be eaten or smashed by a giant boulder, there's no time to stop and think! In many ways, fear/anger and the ability to think rationally and logically are almost mutually exclusive. Those who stopped to weigh the pros and cons of a flight-or-fight decision were eaten, and didn't pass on their afraid-yet-thoughtful genes. Many neuroscientists (and half the US population) believes that it is exactly this fear != rational thought that best explains the outcome of the last US presidential election... but I digress.

Happines is associated most heavily with the left (i.e. logical) side of the brain, while anger is associated with the right (emotional, non-logical) side of the brain. From a Society for Neuroscience article on Bliss and the Brain:

"Furthermore, studies suggest that certain people's ability to see life through rose-colored glasses links to a heightened left-sided brain function. A scrutiny of brain activity indicates that individuals with natural positive dispositions have trumped up activity in the left prefrontal cortex compared with their more negative counterparts. "

In other words, happy people are better able to think logically.

And apparently happier = healthier:

"Evidence suggests that the left-siders may better handle stressful events on a biological level. For example, studies show that they have a higher function of cells that help defend the body, known as natural killer cells, compared with individuals who have greater right side activity. Left-sided students who face a stressful exam have a smaller drop in their killer cells than right-siders. Other research indicates that generally left-siders may have lower levels of the stress hormone, cortisol."

And while we're dispelling the Happy=Vacuous myth, let's look at a couple more misperceptions:

"Happy people aren't critical."
"Happy people don't get angry."
"Happy people are obedient."
"Happy people can't be a disruptive force for change."


Hmmm... one of the world's leading experts in the art of happiness is the Dalai Lama, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989. Just about everyone who hears him speak is struck by how, well, happy he is. How he can describe--with laughter--some of the most traumatizing events of his past. Talk about perspective...

But he is quite outspoken with his criticism of China. The thing is, he doesn't believe that criticism requires anger, or that being happy means you can't be a disruptive influence for good. On happiness, he has this to say:

"The fact that there is always a positive side to life is the one thing that gives me a lot of happiness. This world is not perfect. There are problems. But things like happiness and unhappiness are relative. Realizing this gives you hope."

And among the "happy people", there's Mahatma Gandhi, a force for change that included non-violent but oh-most-definitely-disobedient behavior. A few of my favorite Gandhi quotes:

In a gentle way, you can shake the world.

It has always been a mystery to me how men can feel themselves honoured by the humiliation of their fellow beings.

But then there's the argument that says "anger" is morally (and intellectually) superior to "happy". The American Psychological Association has this to say on anger:

"People who are easily angered generally have what some psychologists call a low tolerance for frustration, meaning simply that they feel that they should not have to be subjected to frustration, inconvenience, or annoyance. They can't take things in stride, and they're particularly infuriated if the situation seems somehow unjust: for example, being corrected for a minor mistake."

Of course it's still a myth that "happy people" don't get angry. Of course they do. Anger is often an appropriate response. But there's a Grand Canyon between a happy-person-who-gets-angry and an unhappy-angry-person. So yes, we get angry. Happiness is not our only emotion, it is simply the outlook we have chosen to cultivate because it is usually the most effective, thoughtful, healthy, and productive.

And there's this one we hear most often, especially in reference to comment moderation--"if you can't say whatever the hell you want to express your anger, you can't be authentic and honest." While that may be true, here's what the psychologists say:

"Psychologists now say that this is a dangerous myth. Some people use this theory as a license to hurt others. Research has found that "letting it rip" with anger actually escalates anger and aggression and does nothing to help you (or the person you're angry with) resolve the situation.

It's best to find out what it is that triggers your anger, and then to develop strategies to keep those triggers from tipping you over the edge."

And finally, another Ghandi quote:

"Be the change that you want to see in the world."

If the scientists are right, I might also add,

Be around the change you want to see in the world.

Havingfun_1

Remember the flight attendant's advice... you must put on your own oxygen mask first.

[UPDATE: I had seen so many blog posts painting "happy" as equivalent to any-synonym-for-brainless, that I didn't really care who used which word--and word "vacuous" was just one more example of what's been said about Robert and the Happy People. But, the author of the post that first used that word was Shelley Powers, who feels this to be a very bad move on my part, so, I'd like to correct that the original post with the word "vacuous", and Shelley's response to my post here.]

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Comments

Love this post Kathy. The number one Ben-tested, non scientific and totally experiential reason to hang out with happy people... it actually feels good!

Posted by: Ben Askins | Apr 17, 2006 11:38:40 PM

I loved this.

If you feel crappy when you eat or drink a particular thing then you should not eat or drink that thing.

Being with some people is energising. Being with others is draining. It doesn't seem harsh to me to pick from column B, say, the salads, instead of Column C, the fatty appetizers. And who we decide to spend time with has more impact on our lives that what we eat.

Posted by: Rich Gibson | Apr 18, 2006 12:25:03 AM

Hm... So are we going to start discriminate on the basis of happiness? Are we going to have separate buses for happy and for unhappy people? Will there be tests to determine if someone is actually unhappy (and perhaps should be treated)?

And of course: how can an unhappy person become happy if they're not allowed to hang out with happy people?

Sorry, Kathy -- I like most of your posts, but this one is just ridiculous, simplistic and short-sighted.

Posted by: Berislav Lopac | Apr 18, 2006 12:40:54 AM

Wow.

Posted by: Michel Parisien | Apr 18, 2006 12:56:50 AM

I know what you mean. I myself have gone through a phase of listening to angry people. I guess this is only a problem if you're naturally angry.

Posted by: Michael | Apr 18, 2006 1:25:50 AM

Mr. Lopac seems a bit... unhappy. :)

But I feel his point of view, too.

I think... well, first, you have to want it. Scratch that, first you have to know and _feel_ in every fiber that there is a better way to live.

Once you realize this, you must decide to reach for that change. And I promise you, it's going to be you and you alone to start out with. And it will take time, and it will be very difficult.

And the hardest part of all I think is that there's no such thing as a "decision." Whether a decision to be happy or any other decision.

I decide to not eat french fries anymore! There! Done!

Not.

A decision isn't made once; it's made every time the decision made comes into question. So again, you must be stoic in your want.

Then comes life... throwing you the same baddies you attracted in the first place because you're so pissed off all the time. Well WTF?!

I dunno... still figuring it out myself.

But hey look it's the Internet! We have people like Kathy! *hugs!*

Posted by: Rabbit | Apr 18, 2006 2:24:42 AM

I'm wondering, what if you are a negative, unhappy or angry sort of person? Are you unchangeable? If you hang around with happy people hoping to get some of their buzz, will you just infect them with your malaise? Should we herd the malcontents into a ghetto & let 'em rot, lest their eeyore spirit take hold in the minds of the happy?

Maybe we're better off substituting the words mindful and unmindful in place of happy and unhappy? Everyone has their bad moments, their "Argh, it's 6AM, I'm freezing and you got me out of bed for *this*?!" times. The same person could, 5 minutes later, be laughing and joking. An unmindful person will let the hot flash of anger cloud their face, and instantly vent their feelings, where a mindful person would try to find reasons why things are not as expected or why they've been turned down etc, and return to a state of calm equilibrium without inflicting rage, rudeness or negativity on anyone.

Me, I tend to be an eeyore, but I'm *trying* to be mindful.

Posted by: Matt Moran | Apr 18, 2006 2:43:36 AM

I just wanted to say that this was truly one of the most well thought out, well written, and well delivered articles on us humans I've read in some time. You really have managed to cover so many important and insightful issues in one place.

As someone said earlier: WOW!

Posted by: Damian | Apr 18, 2006 2:50:52 AM

and the people who are constantly unhappy need help most fo the time. if those who are happy dont give them that support then who is left to. the unhappy ones. this is something that i do not agree with, we need a balance and being unhappy is natural as well as being happy, you cna not be happy all the itme, we would all go crazy!

Posted by: Gabrielle | Apr 18, 2006 3:06:10 AM

Remember: It's not necessarily right to be happy or wrong to be unhappy. It's OK to have a bad day and it's OK to have a good one, depending on your circumstances.

But the point of the human existence, the reason why we're all here is happiness. We're here to be happy - it's that simple. That's not my idea, you can ask Socrates or the Dalai Lama, they'll back me up on this.

And what Kathy rightly points out is that there exist some myths about happiness and happy people. My favourite myth is that all change comes from unhappy people. If people were happy all the time, nothing would ever change.

Experience shows that in reality, happy people have the energy and motivation to actually go out and change things, where unhappy people often end up stuck, merely complaining about it.

Posted by: Alexander Kjerulf | Apr 18, 2006 3:23:21 AM

I think happy people are happy, myself included, not because we ignore the negative, but we choose to appreciate and truly experience the moments of simple joy around us, when they find us. Children naturally have this ability. They are able to feel happy down to their bones, and it lights up their face. I think this is one reason people in families are happier. Being around children reminds us that just being alive is joyful!

Posted by: Mary-Anne | Apr 18, 2006 4:21:11 AM

Dear Kathy,

I love this post and I think I am falling in love with you. I wish I could marry you.

Jokes aside...it was really an inspiring read. I love this last parting line though.

Remember the flight attendant's advice... you must put on your own oxygen mask first.

Posted by: Bizmonk MJ | Apr 18, 2006 4:57:18 AM

Kathy,

Nice post. Makes me happy :)

BTW, you have a spelling mistake.
It should be "Gandhi" instead of "Ghandi"

Posted by: Kalpesh | Apr 18, 2006 5:33:13 AM

Great advice from my favourite valley girl!!

Posted by: john | Apr 18, 2006 5:35:42 AM

Great post, Kathy. I've been starting to try to think along these lines myself. Controlling my environment is the same as controlling myself. It's a little bit scary to realize how easily we are influenced, but it works.

Another post I read recently along similar lines asks "Are resentments justified?"

Posted by: Eric Nehrlich | Apr 18, 2006 5:39:21 AM

When I said I wanted to hang around happy people, what I really meant was I wanted to hang around Kathy. What a great post!

Posted by: Robert Scoble | Apr 18, 2006 6:40:46 AM

Excellent article, it really rings true in my experience. I changed jobs last year and realized how different life could be when you hang out with positive, happy people. My days fly by and though my new assignments are more difficult, I feel more comfortable tackling them in a happier environment.

It only took one resentful, negative person on my last work team to really suck the energy out of the group. Pretty soon we all were paying way too much attention to each other and not focusing on moving forward.

It's good to be amongst the Happys!

Posted by: Nancy | Apr 18, 2006 7:41:28 AM

One thing that confuses me about this: suppose a happy person and an angry/unhappy person hang out together. Both emotions are infectious. What happens?

Do they switch places? Do they meet in the middle so that they both become more neutral? Does the stronger will dominate, so it depends on the people?

Posted by: Ian Schreiber | Apr 18, 2006 7:44:27 AM

I echo someone's comment above: I could marry you (and I'm not even gay). Your thoughts are the BEST out there. It's like being inside my own head --but with other thoughts and with references.

I've been weeding myself of these types of people - even yesterday, I made a decision about how I communicate with a toxic person.

Get me the HELL out of DC so I can be around more people like you (or you!) (Btw, Kathy, have you tried a "Ride and Tie" 1-horse-2-human trail relay race? www.rideandtie.org)

Keep writing - we'll keep reading.

Posted by: Lauren | Apr 18, 2006 8:02:28 AM

It seems to me that this way of living is a little narcissistic and self-serving. If I only spend time making happy people happier, sure I feel happy, but have I really done anything meaningful in the larger sense of existence? Or, by trying to bring happiness into the lives of those who've been hurt, violated, abused, oppressed, do I create a better world for all of us to live in?

Do I recognise that being with happy people is good and try to incorporate that into my life (just as I schedule in exercise, sleep, good food) - of course. But, if I really want my children and their children to have a good world to live in, then I can't ignore suffering.

Posted by: nursegirl | Apr 18, 2006 8:46:30 AM

It seems that the question of associating with "unhappy people" touches a nerve. "Shall we give them their own buses?" A pastor of a few hundred years ago wrote, "Don't spend much time with people where you neither receive good from them nor can do good to them." (And this is said in a context where "doing/receiving good" involves learning wisdom, patience, kindness, hope, and the like.)

If I and my good friends might conclude that time spent with someone is draining me--and this requires humility to admit--without apparent benefit to the other--and this requires discernment--then it might be wise to put my energies elsewhere, for my sake and for the other's.

Posted by: Ron Lusk | Apr 18, 2006 8:56:55 AM

One of the Stanford faculty lectures I've listened to (I think you can get them via iTunes music store - free) mentions that as people get older, they do more to maintain their own happiness -- paying more attention to positive emotions and less attention to negative emotions. Researchers tested this with various fake ads: older people remembered better the ads that had positive emotions associated with them, while younger people memories were not biased by the emotions in the ads.

And by the way, since there is a common idea that older people have poor memory, older people did poorly on memory tests that were labeled as such, but they did well on the SAME tests when they were labeled as "learning" tests.

All of this is important in the USA where the baby boomers, the largest age-segment of our society, are now in their retirement years.

(The next largest age-segment, the baby-boom "echo", is in the teen years now, but that's another story.)

Posted by: keith ray | Apr 18, 2006 9:08:44 AM

Re Lopac and Moran -
The advice of this article was what to do with your own life, NOT what some hypothetical "we" should do to hypothetical unhappy people (tests, buses, ghettos). And Kathy addressed the "5 minutes later ... laughing and joking" point: >>there's a Grand Canyon between a happy-person-who-gets-angry and an unhappy-angry-person<<

Choose your behavior for yourself, and don't sidestep this topic by pretending this means that you choose to do something TO someone else.

Posted by: anonymous somewhat happy coward | Apr 18, 2006 9:13:28 AM

I do not avoid unhappy people, nor should we. But, we need to make sure our interactions are not just with unhappy people. To accomplish this, sometimes we do need to seek out happy people.

I listen, and I sympathize with unhappy people, but I have also learned when to leave. I try to remind these people that they have choices. They can try to change the situation, or change the way they look at it. Change is not always easy, but the essence of life is learning and growth.

Happy people are not always happy. We also get angry, frustrated, and depressed, but, and this is important, we do not wallow in it. We try to handle the situation in a more positive, constructive way. We falter. We make mistakes. But, we try to let go of anger. We try to let go of bitterness. We try to forgive, first ourselves, then others.

Posted by: Mary-Anne | Apr 18, 2006 10:22:29 AM

i would much rather be angry than vapid

Posted by: fartikus | Apr 18, 2006 10:32:34 AM

Thanks for the great post.

People are indeed much more effective without anger.

I'm reminded of a quote: "Small dogs bark. Big dogs don't have to."

Posted by: Ryan Singer | Apr 18, 2006 10:49:23 AM

Thank you all for these comments--I knew this was a very tricky discussion to have, and I'm not sure I have the writing chops to be able to explain exactly what I mean.

Three quick points I want to address:

1) Is this selfish?
Only if you are not using systems thinking. From a long-view perspective, you are in a far better position to help others if you keep yourself as mentally, emotionally, and physically healthy as possible. What good can you be to others who are suffering if you are suffering yourself? *Somebody* has to have the reserves to help. Which is why those who spend time with those who are suffering simply need to be diligent about what they do during the hours when they are not. To spend time with those who help you gain perspective is a way of recharging your brain batteries. If you can't live to fight another day, you will be of no help to anyone.

2) What happens when a happy person is f2f with an unhappy person? Who wins? Do they cancel each other out? ; )
The folk wisdom has said that "he who is the strongest in their outlook wins." That's not entirely true... among equally strong emotions, the studies seem to suggest that negative trumps positive, unfortunately. So you must be EXTRA strong and take steps. There are so many little tricks, though -- laughter being a huge one. It is difficult to sustain a bad feeling while smiling (yes, you really can signal your brain that you're happy even if the smile is somewhat fake to start with). So if you can get someone to laugh or smile even just a little, you've started to put a wedge in their brain door... which you can use to lead them to more rational logical thinking.

And there's a great power in groups! If the unhappy person can spend time in a *group* of happy people, that's probably the best situation for all.

3).How does an unhappy person ever get a chance to be around happy people, if the happy people are avoiding them?
We are *all* unhappy episodically, depending on our circumstances. I am most grateful that my happier friends or relatives have been willing to help sustain and encourage me when I've experienced health problems that wore down my mental/emotional reserves. But the people I was around would only tolerate so much of my negativity before they laid it on the line--"you have a choice here." It's more like a "we'll help you but you must want to help yourself as well."

Most people who are genuinely trying to maintain a positive outlook are more than willing to help those who could use a little more. But oh boy, many people have a HUGE investment in maintaining their anger and negativity. It provides a lot of side benefits. The bottom line is that if people are willing to allow themselves to be influenced (infected) by a more positive emotion, most "happy people" are MORE than willing to help. But it does nobody any good if in the process of trying to help someone become happier, the end result is now *two* unhappy people.

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Apr 18, 2006 10:55:41 AM

Switch the terms "happy" and "unhappy" for "conscious" and "unconscious", and I think you've described my life philosohpy.

When I live consciously, aware of the consequences of every action (or inaction), I have a much better shot at true happiness that by living unconsciously.

As a natural result, I prefer to be around others who live consciously. This doesn't always mean "happy", but it does mean someone who isn't stuck in blame, resentment, and always pointing the finger. They realize that we participate in creating our own reality, and that all of our choices have consequences.

Kathy you strike me as the conscious type. Keep on using your brain for good :-)

Posted by: Dave Churchville | Apr 18, 2006 10:58:01 AM

This post comes at a good time for me. Recently I've had a spate of negativity (snarkiness) from some commentors on my blog and I had to crack down. To a man, the negative comments did not add valuable content, just bad feelings. Nobody would ever accuse me of being vapid, the problems in my industry are horrific yet honesty doesn't require that one be hateful. If anything, the snarkiness shut down communication, further reducing the likelihood of worthwhile solutions. Perhaps most telling -take note- sales during this period dropped 70% and have yet ot recover to their previous levels. Not that I was being snarky but the negativity drove people off.

Posted by: Kathleen Fasanella | Apr 18, 2006 11:00:13 AM

actually i am far more effective when angry. anger motivates me and i think thats true for a huge mass of people. its all how you channel it. the south would still be governed by jim crow if it wasnt for anger. how happy were the protesters during the vietnam war? theres a million examples from history. i think people are wrongly thinking that anger automatically = negativity which does hinder progress.

when im happy im usually sedate and content.

Posted by: hu6h | Apr 18, 2006 11:12:27 AM

Great post Kathy,

I have a friend who is hands-down the luckiest man on the planet. Sadly, all of his luck is not just bad, but verges on tragedy. I'm convinced that this is entirely based on his perception… because he is incapable of crediting the idea that there can be a positive outcome, all of his experiences follow his expectations. I've tried many times to show him how this could turn around, but to no avail. Other than this individual (who I love despite his negativity) I long ago made the decision to surround myself exclusively with happy and active people.

I remember the day I made the decision to avoid negativity. I'd been reading tons of Henry Miller, who vaccilates between extreme highs and extreme lows. Few authors have ever matched his later work for describing the ecstatic highs of life. Because Miller was so smitten with Dostyovesky I started reading Crime and Punishment, then the Brothers K, but just couldn't get into it. All Dostyovesky did was whine, moan and wallow. I decided once and for all that no matter how much it might impede my grasp of culture, I just didn't need to feed myself that kind of misery. It wasn't long before I extended that idea from literature to other art and finally to people. And, hey, maybe I'm missing out on a few great works but I've found that focusing on positive approaches has made it so much easier to remain positive myself and accomplish more goals more easily. I believe that my thinking at the time was something like: Given the opportunity of a blank page to write anything at all, why *wouldn't* you choose to focus on the highs, the solutions, the answers to problems? Problems aren't nearly as interesting as solutions.

Posted by: john t unger | Apr 18, 2006 11:56:39 AM

I am uber impressed with this post, Kathy. I often find myself passing on your posts to non-IT, non-tech folk. What you say almost always has an application for a broader audience. Thanks!

Posted by: Mark Holtman | Apr 18, 2006 12:21:47 PM

Kathy,
Thank you for a well thought out and simply presented description of something I've always puzzled over. In my "metaphysical period" people told me that some people have "holes in their auras" and that this "hole" sucks your energy away. The image and experience is clear, but the reality of this has always been, well, unprovable.

Posted by: Roger Bourland | Apr 18, 2006 12:38:09 PM

Re: Gandhi's "...be the change that you wish to see in the world."

He has achieved Success who has lived long, laughed often, and loved much.
Who has gained the trust of pure women, the respect of intelligent men,
and the love of little children.
Who has filled his niche and accomplished his task.
Who has left the world better than he found it,
whether [it be through a lovelier poppy, a perfect poem, or a rescued soul].
Who has always appreciated the earth’s beauty and never failed to express it.
Who has always looked for the best in others, and given the best he had.
Whose life was an inspiration; whose memory a benediction.

--This definition of success was written by the wife of the Superintendent of Instruction in Lincoln County, Kansas, which won the prize offered by a newspaper for the best definition of Success written in one hundred words.

Posted by: Victor Panlilio | Apr 18, 2006 12:57:10 PM

In your last section, you spend most of the time comparing happy and angry. How about happy and unhappy, or happy and depressed? What about generally happy people who are going through a really tough time and happen to be unhappy at a particular moment in time? Does one abandon one's friends when they become unhappy because you don't want to be around unhappy people?

I completely buy into the science behind this, but I wonder where it leaves people who need a friend to help them through a tough time, or who might actually need some real help to deal with depression, which is often hard for the person to diagnose themselves. Just leaving people in the lurch because we don't want to be around them seems a little callous. (And again, I'm differentiating here between angry and unhappy - there's a big difference in my book).

I am very glad there's people out there like Skyler who are willing to put themselves in (brain's) harm's way to help people.

Posted by: Beth | Apr 18, 2006 1:06:53 PM

I can't believe you talked of fear and flight-or-fight without making reference to Gavin de Becker's incredible The Gift of Fear. This definitely belongs on your coffee table, Kathy! My library had it on CD and I listened to it twice. Fascinating!

Posted by: junior | Apr 18, 2006 1:17:44 PM

Kathy - this is a great post. Thank you.

Posted by: David Rossiter | Apr 18, 2006 1:24:18 PM

You've posted nteresting spin on the effects of surrounding yourself with happy people, but I think Mike Drips pretty well summed up Scoble's censorship scenario on his blog at http://forevervoyaging.blogspot.com.

There's quite a gap between censorship of comments on a widely read web site and creating a social circle around yourself of happy people or people that keep you happy.

I'm confident that Hitler had a circle of people around him that kept him happy.

Posted by: John Umbrax | Apr 18, 2006 1:57:36 PM

How to completely miss the point. Let me explain.

Scoble is being beat up because now he only wishes to associate with like-minded people. This results in groupthink, and it's very unhealthy.

Forget the junk science and speculation. This is psychology a child can understand.

Posted by: JKramer | Apr 18, 2006 2:08:38 PM

hi there,

nice post. interesting. validates what I wondered about!

TYPO : V. S. Ramachandran is the correct name where you refer related to "Mirror Neurons".

BR,
~A

Posted by: Anjan Bacchu | Apr 18, 2006 2:35:29 PM

from above:

"There's quite a gap between censorship of comments on a widely read web site and creating a social circle around yourself of happy people or people that keep you happy. I'm confident that Hitler had a circle of people around him that kept him happy."

Thank you.

This is an interesting post Kathy, but I think it's a long way from analyzing what's going on with Robert's decision to not let anyone comment who is an "unhappy person" and only let people who "add value" participate in his online world. Incidentally, it's a business web site from a guy who just wrote a book on the conversational era. How dangerous is this 'new' model--enagae your customers, but only if THEY ADD VALUE to your world and seem happy. Since the commenter above mentioned how group mindthink can also trick HAPPY people into doing THE RIGHT THING when it isn't, let me mention that the blogger who just tortured and murdered the little girl described himself as "pretty happy" in his blogging profile and commented widely on other blogs. Only in retrospect are there hints of something larger going on. How interesting.

Robert is confusing happy with annoying because he is buying into the marketing of Positivity and Potential of New Age bull like The Four Agreements, which he cited in that same post.

Get rid of your negative spouse. Don't talk to abusive relatives. Got a boss who's a jerk, how about setting some boundaries? Or get a new job.

And if I annoy you in comments, by all means, moderate the beejeebers out of me. But don't try to fool yourself into thinking you know how happy or unhappy I am, especially in this online arms-length world. Don't assume that you can judge the value of happiness and positivity from somebody's comments on your website. And do fear the reaper.

Do we we really want to conduct our online interactions based on who might serve as positive forces in our lives?

Then institute a personality test before letting anyone past moderation. Ask them if they are a child of an alcoholic, if they were ever emotionally abused, physically or sexually abused, and if so whether or not they've done any recovery work. Screen for alcoholics and drug addicts. And assume they would all answer honestly. THAT'S the only way you're going to keep happy people off your blog.

SO, let's get real: Moderate for spam, anonymous, and annoying commenters, and take the heat for whom you delete.

Puffing it up as some grand step toward a better life is just a little bit unbelievable.

Okay, I'm off to meditate.

Posted by: jeneane | Apr 18, 2006 2:54:15 PM

Mr. Umbrax hit the nail on the head. There is a very small step between "surrounding yourself with people that make you happy" and "forcing everyone around you to make you happy". The only difference is the power -- and as the saying goes, "power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely". Galadriel knew that well.

It's very easy to make other people unhappy by forcing them to make you happy -- or abandoning them if they don't, which is what the above concept actually (albeit unintentionally) promotes. What do you do if people around you become unhappy? Do you try all you can do to make them happy? Or you just walk away and look for other people that might make you happy? Both can be wrong if overdone -- sometimes you need to accept people around you, happy or not.

(Just before posting this I saw Beth wrote about this point already. Nicely said, Beth.)

Posted by: Berislav Lopac | Apr 18, 2006 3:06:40 PM

Wow, awesome post. And interesting comments. As someone who often finds himself in the dissenting camp, I feel empathy with the few who disagree. Perhaps it might help seeing that there is an important distinction between civil rights and personal choices. We have a basic human right as individuals that is protected in the U.S. Constitution. It is called freedom of association. What kind of freedom would we have as individuals if we couldn't choose our friends? Moderating a private blog is not the equivalent of rounding up unhappy people and putting them in camps. Choosing to associate primarily with happy people is not the same as choosing to deny unhappy people access to basic human services.

When it comes to public institutions, we have rules of decorum that are intended to facilitate productive conversations, even in the midst of disagreement. It is the reason we operate under Roberts Rules of Order in Congress, and in corporate and non-profit board of directors meetings. The rules do not judge or specify how people must feel inside. They only mandate their external behavior so as to protect the rights of all. An angry person violates the rights of everyone else in a room if that person chooses to inflict their anger on people by hurling insults, speaking out of turn, or interrupting. It's true that rules can be abused. Rules can be inadequate. But the intent is a worthy one. The rules are there to protect a social assembly from the damage that can be very easily inflicted - consciously or unconsciously - by the happy or the angry equally.

It can be so easy to inflict anger on others, especially in the face of perceived injustice. It's seductively easy. But ineffective and wrong. Anger can be communicated in a civil way, but not when you're consumed by it.

Our civil rights apply to us all equally under the law. You can't exclude the unhappy from those rights. But these same rights include the individual freedom of association. Kathy has demonstrated through science that it is a healthy choice to individually choose to surround yourself with basically happy people.

I like the distinction some have made about being conscious/unconscious. But I think the science Kathy presents should be studied more consciously, as it makes it clear how much easier it is to be truly conscious when you're habitually happy as opposed to habitually angry.

I'm sure there's some science to back me up here, but right now all I have is the record of the ages as delivered to us by the recognized and respected mystics from history. Clearly, consciousness has degrees, from a coma to asleep to being at one with the infinite (or with God in other traditions). The record of the mystics makes pretty clear that there's no happier state than this level of consciousness. Some call it nirvana, pure ecstasy. Jesus said, know the truth and the truth shall set you free. If you truly were able to attain the grand perspective on this cosmic show, my own research indicates that you'd be certain to smile.

Posted by: Harold Shinsato | Apr 18, 2006 4:09:02 PM

Fantastic article. I forwarded it to a couple of mailing lists. Thank you!

Posted by: Maureen | Apr 18, 2006 4:17:02 PM

hi there,

TYPO : one more "Mahatma Ghandi," should be "Mahatma Gandhi".

Thank you,

BR,
~A

Posted by: Anjan Bacchu | Apr 18, 2006 4:25:19 PM

Kathy: Loved this post as I love all of your writing. You also introduced me to Steve Pavlina, who I really love as an author. As someone said, please keep posting and we'll keep reading. Great post!

Posted by: Kate | Apr 18, 2006 5:22:44 PM

I've long held the opinion that one should quickly flee from anyone unwilling to overcome a negative outlook on life. People who demand too much emotional support often end up not being worth the effort of saving, because they aren't making the effort themselves. It's one thing to be clinically depressed and seeking medical advice, but it seems that more and more people are fashionably 'depressed' and unwilling to do anything about it.

Posted by: Nic Cotton | Apr 18, 2006 6:19:38 PM

Which is just to say that I agree completly with what you've written/argued above, and want to say 'thanks' for exressing it so well.

Posted by: Nic Cotton | Apr 18, 2006 6:20:48 PM

Thanks for the well-thought-out post, I may save it for future reference. Your points ring true, and underscore several leadership axioms, such as "negativity is contagious."

Posted by: Scott Loveland | Apr 18, 2006 6:53:48 PM

I have a hard time keeping up with all my blog subscriptions, so the other month, I decided to purge my RSS subscriptions of any feeds that (while they may have been good and interesting) generally left me feeling down.

A key motivator for me? Creating Passionate Users. I always felt upbeat and empowered after reading these posts. I've set this blog as the gold standard that I judge others by.

Thank you Kathy!

Posted by: Tim Bailen | Apr 18, 2006 7:21:36 PM

Thankyou for the post, I have seen lots of negetaive people around, many emotional vampires, and it is good to stay away from them.

Posted by: Ole Blue | Apr 18, 2006 7:37:46 PM

As a seriously unhappy person myself, I've been trying to affect change for the past few months. And guess what? I can't. Not because I don't want to - the unhappiness has reached the point that I daily think about putting a bullet through my brain, I just can't buy a gun here. It's because the people I hang out with are unhappy. It breeds. If you vent one unhappy thought in the crowd I hang with, it becomes an hour long broodfest. There's no way you can get out of your negative mindset when everyone reacts like that.

I've been thinking about this for a while, but the above post has really made met make up my mind. I gotta cut the unhappy people out of my live, even if they're my friends, and hang out more with the upbeat happy people I know. Even if they're more vacuous or whatever else you guys want to call them... they're happy. And I kinda want to be that too.

Posted by: Guy Sie | Apr 18, 2006 7:45:03 PM

Cross calling vampire.

Posted by: jeneane sessum | Apr 18, 2006 7:46:32 PM

I'm confident that Hitler had a circle of people around him that kept him happy.

And with that comment you basically undercut the credibility of your entire point, Mr. Umbrax.

Besides, I think your confidence is misplaced. I frankly doubt that Hitler was a happy man. On the contrary: I suspect he was in a near-perpetual state of anger.

Posted by: mcg | Apr 18, 2006 8:30:48 PM

To respond to the original post, I largely agree with it. I think that those do not may (at least in part) be failing to make the distinction between people who are chronically unhappy or negative, and those who are on a more occasional basis. I seriously doubt that the author is advocating putting distance between oneself and those one cares about just because they're having a bad day. However, those for whom anger and/or unhappiness pervades their daily life are often not simply responding to their circumstances; they have internalized them.

Posted by: mcg | Apr 18, 2006 8:35:11 PM

Correcting my second sentence: I think that those who do not [agree] may (at least in part) be failing to make the distinction between people who are chronically unhappy or negative, and those who are so on a more occasional basis.

Posted by: mcg | Apr 18, 2006 8:36:13 PM

Guy Sie-

You should also consider talking to a social worker or a psychologist about your feelings. They're a powerful resource in our society.

They can't fix your problems, but they can give you the tools to fix your own problems. Happiness starts with a decision to take care of yourself, and sometimes making that decision involves asking for help.

Six months ago, I collapsed to the ground with a grand mal seizure. I saw my right to drive taken away for six months, and I saw my dream of earning a pilot's license gone all in one instant. I was told I would probably be on medication for the rest of my life.

Several weeks later, I had another seizure, and I thought I would spend the rest of my life waking up in an ambulance every other week.

I knew I couldn't work through these issues on my own, but I've been talking with a social worker for four months now, and I feel so much better that I can't even describe it. It's like watching the sun come out from behind the clouds.

When you have a disease you can't cure yourself, you see a doctor. When you're feeling so bad that you can't control the way you feel any more, you ask for help. Asking for help is a sign of strength.

I hope I've given you something to think about at least.

Posted by: [YAC]Kev | Apr 18, 2006 8:40:38 PM

I have a group in my feed reader devoted just to "positive thinkers" -- people whose blogs are consistently funny, thoughtful, productive, reflective. That's the first group of feeds I turn to every day, and it consistently helps me have a better perspective on my day. The 37Signals blog is one of them, and you are too.

I think a key point here is that we don't need to cut out every single person who ever has a negative thought. But if we make sure that we are always seeking out positive voices, we go along way towards lessening the influence of negative ones.

I'm also mindful of how often I've been the negative voice, and how I've made things worse. That's some karma I have to atone for. I need to start my own Earl's list.

Posted by: Steph Mineart | Apr 18, 2006 8:43:44 PM

Very nice. I especially like the gratuitous insult of 53% of the voting population. If you want to bring politics into this discussion, why not ask whether the propensity of groups to vote alike (I'm looking at you, university humanities departments) may not be due to the shared brilliance of group members, but reflect the importance of mirror neurons?

Posted by: bgates | Apr 18, 2006 8:54:30 PM

You go girl! The really sad thing to me in reading many of the comments that disagreed with you was that they totally missed the word distinction you gave. You said "deeply unhappy" which is different from unhappy.

In my experience we are all unhappy fairly regularly and in those times we benefit from being around happy people. Happy people are often supportive and encouraging.

Deeply unhappy people may also be helped by being around happy people for the same reason. But you have to be careful. If they are deeply unhappy because they have chosen to be that way (yes, people choose to be that way. I can think of 5 right now) then you'd best steer clear because they will do everything they can to make sure you know how miserable they are and try to bring you into their world. Once they succeed it is REALLY hard to get out.

Posted by: Kris | Apr 18, 2006 9:02:18 PM

Someone above mentioned that "Hitler was probably very happy". Are you nuts? Did you miss the happy == logical equasion? Don't you think a person has to be a wee bit angry, insecure, paranoid, and plain out of their bloody brain to try to exterminate an entire race? That is not a definition of happy I'd relate too.

Personally, being around people who fawn over me doesn't make me happy. Being around people I respect does--but this doesn't mean that I agree with them on everything, or they agree with me!

Posted by: Carolynn | Apr 18, 2006 9:15:00 PM

I'm amazed no one has pointed out yet that Gandhi beat his wife. I have great respect for Gandhi, but I point this out because I think you've described unrealistically simple people. Happy and angry aren't even mutually exclusive, much less opposite, emotions. I find the science stuff really interesting, but very little of what you've discussed really relates to Scoble's situation, and I think it was a mistake to reference that at all. "Whether it's a good move is up to each person to decide" rings really hollow in the middle of this post.

Posted by: Scott Reynen | Apr 18, 2006 9:17:35 PM

This blog post makes me happy!

About half of you will find this makes you happy, too, esp. considering the "happy people think more logically" part:

http://pewresearch.org/social/chart.php?ChartID=7


Posted by: TallDave | Apr 18, 2006 9:51:05 PM

"So are we going to start discriminate on the basis of happiness? Are we going to have separate buses for happy and for unhappy people?"

On someone's personal blog? Yep, and more power to the owner. Just like a liberal can 'discriminate' against a conservative on their blog, just like a White Sox fan can 'discriminate' against a Cubs fan on their blog, so to can a blog owner 'discriminate' against whomever they want.

My blog, The Pond, is strictly a non-political place, and I summarily delete any political comments. Why? Because that's not what the blog is about; there's plenty of places to talk politics. Am I, then, discriminating against that person?

In your mind, I suppose I am.

Posted by: Wonderduck | Apr 18, 2006 9:51:47 PM

Very nice, and very pleasant to read.

The 'Mirror Neurons' part reminds me this essay :
http://www.bloodletters.com/hackyourself.shtml

Posted by: Ju. | Apr 18, 2006 10:35:27 PM

Whew -- I wasn't expecting so many comments, and I'm grateful for every one (yes, even the "not happy" ones ; )

I thank you all for what you've added to this topic; you've given me a lot to think about. It was the most difficult post I've ever made, and I'm sure I didn't do the topic justice or make my intentions 100% clear. But I am grateful most especially for not spinning it or taking it out of context, or inferring some hidden evil agenda.

Also, I just updated it for two things:
1) I can't BELIEVE I misspelled Gandhi, twice, so thanks for the correction.

2) In my original post, I didn't link to the blogger who claims to be the first one to have used the word "vacuous" in conjunction with Robert's decision, Shelley Powers. I'm not sure who said what in whose blog in the context of this topic, but Shelley feels strongly about it so I added the link.

Scott: you have a valid point about my using the Robert Scoble situation to launch a post that may have had little do with it. I did, however, acknowledge at the top that I had not spoken to Robert and really had no idea if this was the case. I'm not sure if this was a mistake or not, but I'll think about it some more.

This is, however, the way I start MOST of my posts...something happens and it starts a chain of thoughts that lead to a post which may veer wildly from the original spark. And I usually include the "what got me thinking about this..." as part of the post. One of my readers here once joked (kind of) that I could make ANY topic somehow related to my horse. But again, I'll think about what you said since I've learned in the past that you make thoughtful comments.

Finally, it was my good friend Beth who made the comment which I believed showed a hole big enough to drive a truck through in my post: the notion of what to do if you have a friend who needs your help... would you just abandon them so as not to bring yourself down?

But anyone who'd just ditch a good friend simply because that friend is in trouble was not much of a friend in the first place. You can't help someone who does not WANT your help (especially when you're not a trained mental health professional), and indeed that's the circumstance in which I'd be tempted to eventually walk away and try to find better help for this person. But it's not callous to take care of yourself--there is no way to be of service to anyone if you have lost hope yourself. Yes, certainly there will always be selfish people, but they don't need to use neuroscience as their excuse. And one who genuinely cares about others can--I hope--use this awareness of mirror neurons and emotional cantagion to keep themselves better able to continue to help others.

At this point in my life, I have a LOT of optimism to spare--plenty in the emotional bank, so to speak. I could spend a lot of time with someone who could use some support. But a few months ago, my brain went to hell again and yet another kind of seizure emerged (yackev, I can relate--and I agree with your comments, and the medication thing has probably been the worst part for me throughout my life, but I think the more recent anti-epileptic Lamictal is a miracle). I became the one who was extremely difficult to be around. I am most grateful--more than anyone could know-- that my friends--and even people from this blog who I've never met or done anything for--were so willing to step in to help me "catch" some of their optimism.

Again, I thank you all for participating in this and staying respectful with your disagreement.
-Kathy [resisting the overpowering urge to include a smiley]

p.s. my favorite Shiny Happy People line is in the movie The Spanish Prisoner.

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Apr 18, 2006 10:42:57 PM

Although I can attest from experience that being surrounded by the wrong people is harmful in more ways than one could expect, I would also be concerned to carefully evaluate whether my association with an unhappy or wounded person could help improve their quality of life such that they do not have to be like that anymore. Often unhappiness and negativity are a temporary side-effect of growth in the 'school of hard knocks'.

I would also add that most of the people who have done me (and presumably others) grave harm by this means have been very happy and fulfilled people, who were held in high esteem by their peers, who were immensely successful in their career paths and social lives. Most people associated with them would simply refuse to believe the extent of the horror they were inflicting on others, no matter what the evidence.

And sometimes associating with 'happy' people is just depressing - especially when it is apparent they are just lucky and shallow. That is, nothing bad has ever happened to them or anyone they care about, they have not matured beyond a certain point because of this, and they have no empathy or concern for anyone because they are still under the illusion that they are successful as a result of their own actions (and they believe the myth that others suffer because they are not).

Posted by: Paul Coddington | Apr 18, 2006 10:49:39 PM

Guy Sie: If you aren't exaggerating about your level of despair I have a suggestion for you. Seek professional help. A doctor or a priest. Your observation about environement is right on the money, but most people would have ditched that crowd well before things got as bad as you're describing. That may mean you've got a problem that's internal in addition to the external social environment issues. Look into it please. I have an enormous amount of experience with this stuff and it shouldn't be taken lightly.

P.S. If you do get some help for a real problem you should anticipate a bumpy ride and a hard time finding the right kind of council in the beginning. That's normal, don't worry, and keep trying. I hope it gets better for you.

Posted by: The Apologist | Apr 19, 2006 12:01:53 AM

MY GOSH WHAT A GREAT READ!

I'm often seen as being "overly happy", but it's *really* weird, because it wasn't always this way--I'm just working towards compensating for the unhappiness in the past.

It's too easy to get angry, not nearly as easy to be happy: I find it not only to be a noble goal for myself to work towards, but of benefit to my fellow human beings. :D

Posted by: Torley Linden | Apr 19, 2006 4:31:37 AM

Thanks for the references to read more on this interesting topic. So much that resonated with a lot of us over the years is now finding science to support and develop better ways for well-being. We are also discussing this at www.brainbasedbusiness.com and adding other tips for business, and life in general benefits. This site rocks and even your discussion comments motivate more reading!

Posted by: Ellen | Apr 19, 2006 5:53:17 AM

"Many neuroscientists (and half the US population) believes that it is exactly this fear != rational thought that best explains the outcome of the last US presidential election... but I digress."

You sure do.

If you're implying that the happy, rational people en masse voted for John Kerry, while the fearful, unhappy people voted for Bush then you are simply living on another planet.

Your analysis is rather vacuous. Fear isn't always irrational; it can be rational or irrational, depending on the circumstances. I'm sick and tired of hearing this ridiculous, patronizing little meme that fear is always mutually exclusive with rational thought. Bet you would have done told the Jews in Nazi Germany that there was nothing to fear as well, no need to get the hell out before it's too late.

People who irrationally fear different things can vote for opposing candidates. It was a nice little post till you threw in this gratuitous partisan cheap shot.

Posted by: JB | Apr 19, 2006 5:54:11 AM

Quite a good post, but one criticism:
The idea that "happy people are better able to think logically" is simply not supported by the preceding argument. To propose that left = logical = happy while right = emotional = non-logical is an interesting but not validated concept.

While 'angry' certainly is an emotion, 'happy' is a more complicated concept, and thus you're comparing two completely different phenomenon. "Euphoric" might be a better partner to "angry", and both are similarly illogical. It's also simplistic to conflate 'happy' with 'positive' and 'upbeat', because some people carry those attributes and yet are dysfuntional because they are unrealistic.

Abraham Lincoln was often a deeply unhappy man, morose even. At other times, he was, it appears, a joy to be around. And this is true of many people, varying from day to day. Some of the best writers in the world suffered from chronic depression and other mental illnesses. Can you think of a great "happy" novel? Much of the wonderful music from the blues, folk, rock, and country arose out of pain. 'Happy' and 'positive' music is rarely any good.

So, you're right. It's a drag to be around some people, and over-exposure is draining and even a negative for you. A positive outlook is better for many reasons than a negative one. I'm not sure neuroscience has illuminated those old ideas very much. I'd favor a "mature, generally positive outlook" as an achievable and useful goal. "Happy"? Too much baggage to that term (hence the comments about being 'vacuous' ).

Posted by: Kevin F | Apr 19, 2006 6:01:17 AM

This was a fantastic post and very timely. I've been discussing this subject a lot lately, the importance of attitude and group negativity, so it's great to see scientific evidence. I'm also sorry that some of the commenters clearly didn't 'get' it. Thanks!

Posted by: Sarah | Apr 19, 2006 7:09:25 AM

Kathy,

Thanks for saying what I've spent the last two decades saying to my kids...we parents need all the reinforcement we can get.

What you're talking about is one of the four or five lessons my father taught me for which I'm most grateful. I can remember his telling me once in particular (he tended to use humor, quite effectively, to make his points memorable):

"Kenny, look, decide who you want to be, find people like that, and spend time with them, because you'll become like the people you are with. If you want to improve your sense of humor, find funny people and spend time with them and your sense of humor will improve. If you want to be kind, find kind people and build friendships with them and you will become kinder yourself.

"If you spend all your time with honest people, you will stop telling lies. If you spend all your time with liars, you'll start to hear lies coming from your lips. If you spend all your time with angry people, you'll be angry; if you spend all your time with cheerful people, you'll be cheerful.

"And if you spend all your time with rich people...you'll go broke from picking up the check."

Posted by: Kenny Pierce | Apr 19, 2006 7:52:38 AM

Wonderful post. I'm with the Instapundit on this one, negative and hateful blog commenters are worse than a waste of time. They are a drain on your soul.

Posted by: moptop | Apr 19, 2006 8:09:00 AM

On some of the previous comments:

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Can you think of a great "happy" novel?
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Pride and Prejudice. That didn't take long. Throw The Divine Comedy in there too, epic poetry being to Dante's Italy what novels were to Austen's England. (Of course you have to actually read the whole thing, not just the lurid Cliff Notes highlights of the Inferno.) And while we're at it, three more words: "Ode to Joy."

Look, I know, Kevin, that you said good music is "rarely" happy and so a single exception does not invalidate your generalization; but in my experience people who think all the great music and art is tragic are people who have snuck "tragic" into their definition of "great" and are therefore simply begging the question -- "oh, show tunes; well, if that's all you mean by 'great music' [rolling eyes at the thought of such a lack of culture]..." Of course you may be an exception; but still, a whole bunch of the smiles in the history of the world have come from music. If you want to say that the "Step in Time" number from Mary Poppins or Frank Sinatra's "Fly Me to the Moon" or the can't-help-but-get-up-and-dance Bering Strait Nashville bluegrass rework of the Russian folk song "Porushka-Paranya" aren't "great" music, that's fine; but your point will still fail to persuade those of us who don't buy into the Tragic Starving Tortured Artist stereotype.

A lot of the criticisms seem to me to have missed what Kathy means by "happy" (unless I misunderstood her myself), the one about Hitler's happiness being by far the most egregiously silly. Try rereading her post applying to the term "happy" the meaning "choosing, as a matter of ordinary habit with of course occasional exceptions, to focus on the reasons life offers for joy and love rather than on the excuses life provides for despair and anger." Most of the criticism expressed then lose their force.

The person who attributed the success of the civil rights movement to anger doesn't seem to me to have paid much attention to the history of the civil rights movement. Martin Luther King Jr's whole philosophy was to respond to white oppression with love and compassion rather than with anger and violence, and as the civil rights movement has reverted from that model back to the grievance model they have progressively lost the ability to impact those whom they wish to change. King was successful in creating society-wide change where the Black Panthers were not, precisely because he was, in the relevant sense, happy, while they were merely angry.

Now, about the people who are concerned about how the happy people are going to abandon the unhappy people to their misery: there's a piece of advice in the New Testament that is relevant here, even if you're an atheist. St. Paul advises the Philippians (if memory serves), "If one of you falls into sin, the rest of you should gently restore him -- but watch yourselves, lest you also be tempted." In explaining this to socially concerned teenagers, I usually ask them to imagine that I'm being swept away in a flood and that they are on the bank and want to help me. I squat down on the floor, have one of them stand on a chair and reach down to take my hand and pull me up. And as soon as they do, I yank them off the chair. Then I tell them to get back on the chair but this time I line the other kids in the group up behind them in a long chain; and the kid on the chair gets a good grip on the other kids, and THEN he takes my hand -- and if anybody moves, it's me, not him.

The point is that ministry of any sort -- religious or not -- is far safer if a group of people are engaged in it together than if some lone wolf with a self-reliant Messiah complex sails in to save the world on his own. You can involve yourself very deeply in the lives of people who are hurting and sad and bitter and lonely -- but it's only safe to do so if you are at the same time deeply engaged with people who are loving and joyous and positive and supporting. If you, a happy person, involve yourself deeply with an unhappy person, then one of you will disproportionately change the other. Usually the one who "wins" will be the one whose community provides the most reinforcement. If you really want to help somebody who's unhappy, then it's only common sense to make sure that you approach the relationship having taken precautions to make sure that you don't just become unhappy yourself, if nothing else because once you fall into that state you won't be able to help him escape it.

Posted by: Kenny Pierce | Apr 19, 2006 9:19:39 AM

Think about how this topic applies to our current day prison system. Not only are the inmates learning new tricks and tips, they're brains are also getting "reprogrammed" for anger and unhappiness. This adds another issue to the list of why it's hard to transition back to the "real world".

Posted by: Dan | Apr 19, 2006 9:36:26 AM

Apparently I'm happier than the author of this post! See, he says:

"Many neuroscientists (and half the US population) believes that it is exactly this fear != rational thought that best explains the outcome of the last US presidential election... but I digress."

And then:

"happy people are better able to think logically."

Now, couple this with the finding that conservatives are happier (http://pewresearch.org/social/pack.php?PackID=1) and what do you get? Let