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Why Web 2.0 is more than a buzzword

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Many people hate the phrase "Web 2.0" even more than they hate what they believe it represents. No, that's not quite right... many people hate the phrase precisely because they think it represents nothing. Or they're annoyed by the idea of a web version number. Or they think it's "elitist." Or they're convinced it's so much marketing hype. But what if it's not an empty phrase? What if it's simply a way of representing a concept that some people DO understand? What if it's like so many other domain-specific terms that sound like nonsense to everyone else?

That doesn't mean zillions of people haven't abused the term for everything from sounding tech-savvy to getting a piece of the hype-fueled-please-god-bring-back-the-bubble-and-I-promise-I-won't-piss-it-away-this-time VC pie. And it doesn't mean that there's all that much consensus even among those who think they DO know what "Web 2.0" means. But to say it means nothing (or WORSE--to say it's just a marketing label) is to mistake jargon (good) for buzzwords (bad). Where buzzwords are used to impress or mislead, jargon is used to communicate more efficiently and interestingly with others who share a similar level of knowledge and skills in a specific area.

Part of the benefit of being "into" something is having an insider lexicon.

It's not about elitism--it's about efficiency. It's not about impressing others--it's about a shared understanding of specific concepts. It's about being able to talk about ideas or processes or even parts with fewer words and (potentially) greater meaning. If two heart surgeons debate the merits of a new medical procedure, I'd be lost. Hell, I'm over my head when the conversation turns to cooking. But I can talk about cantles and pommels, and I know exactly what topline means in the context of collection. And I can talk about recursion and dependency-injection and backward-chaining. Just don't ask me how to carmelize.

Dinner conversations around my house often are about one of those two things--programming or horses--and most non-horse, non-developer folks might wonder if we're just making s*** up. But if you took away our jargon, the conversations would not just be slower, they'd be dumber. We couldn't converse on some of the more sophisticated, complex, higher-level ideas about horses or software development. The experience wouldn't be as rich, productive, or engaging. Strip away the specialized words and you strip away part of why being better is better.

One of the biggest mistakes I see community builders make (however well-intentioned) is fretting over inclusivity and newbie-friendliness. They want the beginners to feel welcome, and few experiences are more daunting than stepping into a new domain where you have no idea what anyone's talking about. It feels... uncomfortable. Confusing. Discouraging. But in our quest to cut the jargon and perceived (or even real) elitism, we risk ruining one of the biggest benefits of sticking with it. Not only should we allow domain-specific jargon or expert-speak, we should be driving it! We should help invent short-cuts and specialized words and phrases to make communication among our most passionate--our experts--even more stimulating and useful.

If you're afraid of newbies feeling intimidated or unwelcome, by all means give them a separate safe zone. Whether the newbie space is the default while the advanced users have their own special area (site, forum, club, whatever), or just the opposite--the advanced users are the default and the newbies get their own special beginner area, the key is to not sacrifice your advanced users in an effort to make beginners feel better. That's a short-term benefit to the beginner but a long-term wet blanket over those who might otherwise be more motivated to move up the ranks.

So... back to "Web 2.0"--I'll admit that this one's trickier than most domain-specific phrases because it wraps many different--and big and ill-defined--concepts. But when Tim O'Reilly and Dale Dougherty (the guy who first coined the term) talk about Web 2.0, it represents something real and specific and meaningful. Over time, a lot of other people (especially those who've spent time around them, including me) have come to understand at least a part of what they've encapsulated in that one small phrase. "Web 2.0" may be the least understood phrase in the history of the world, but that still doesn't make it meaningless.

Think of all the other words or phrases that mean nothing to us simply because we're not in that profession or hobby. Pop Quiz: From which domains do these sets of words or phrases come from? (And hey, try to see how much you can get without Google.)

A) The flop, the turn, and the river
B) purlwise, stockinette, double-pointed
C) snowman, gimmie, duck hook
D) blowbag, escutcheon, gas cock
E) grind, fakie, bluntslide
F) abseil, hexcentric, friend
G) sente, tiger's mouth, "black is thick"
H) break, build, "train wreck"
I) vermin type, use-activated, swarm subtype
J) ruck, maul, blood-bin
K) HIWAS, option approach, DOD FLIP
L) clipping, phantom power, patch bay
M) flashback, freelist, Scott
N) Class M, dilithium, positronic

First person to get all of them gets a surprise.

[UPDATE: once you look at the comments, you'll see everyone else's answers so... watch for the spoilers.]

[UPDATE: OK, new challenge... since everyone guessed mine so quickly, I'd love to hear YOUR idea for a set of three words/phrases from some domain/profession/hobby that the rest of us have to guess...]

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A) The flop, the turn, and the river - Texas Hold'em
B) purlwise, stockinette, double-pointed - Knitting
C) snowman, gimmie, duck hook - Golf
D) blowbag, escutcheon, gas cock - plumbing
E) grind, fakie, bluntslide - Skateboarding
F) abseil, hexcentric, friend - Rock Climbing
G) sente, tiger's mouth, "black is thick" - Go
H) break, build, "train wreck" - software development (although I assume they can be used in all sorts of environments)
I) vermin type, use-activated, swarm subtype - Yay Dungeons and Dragons
J) ruck, maul, blood-bin - Rugby
K) HIWAS, option approach, DOD FLIP - Air Traffic Control
L) clipping, phantom power, patch bay - Sound desk stuff (so DJs, Audio engineers etc)
M) flashback, freelist, Scott - Database (Oracle)
N) Class M, dilithium, positronic - Star Trek

Yeah, I had to cheat on a couple, but I knew most of them :)

Do I win?

;)

Posted by: RodeoClown | Nov 26, 2006 10:07:57 PM

RodeoClown -- you rock! Well, almost...

What a well-rounded individual you've proven yourself to be ; )
Unfortunately, you got one wrong, although I think I'll have to give it to you anyway because you acknowledged it could apply to other things, and now that I look at it... I can agree. I'm talking about "H". Want to give it another shot? (you'll still get the surprise)

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Nov 26, 2006 10:23:26 PM

H. DJ terms

No sense copying the earlier ones :)

--Chris

Posted by: Chris Hajer | Nov 26, 2006 10:34:21 PM

Thanks :)
I guessed software dev. because most mornings someone has broken the build (although I'd probably be fired if I suggested the whole project was a "Train Wreck" ;))

Here are a few other possibilities for 'H':

- Engineering (often to do with building bridges and preventing them breaking)
- 'Liberating' foreign countries (breaking stuff, rebuilding economies)
- DJ-ing (as in with the records, and the scratching and the like, building stuff up, playing breaks - try and avoid a train wreck on the dance floor.)
...
um
...
- Driving trains? (Building up speed, breaking for stations (yes, I know it's spelled brake...) etc)

It's a pretty vague set of terms you've specified.

I'll be interested to see what you originally meant.

Posted by: RodeoClown | Nov 26, 2006 10:34:28 PM

Kathy, this is one of the most insightful posts I've ever read, anywhere on the blogosphere!

Would definitely love for you to explore the subject of lexicons further.

This would help me a lot to think more progressively about my product.

--Sam

Posted by: Sam Aparicio | Nov 26, 2006 10:40:53 PM

One of the reasons I enjoy reading your blog is your excellent use of charts and graphs to convey topics. I think you really do a nice job of illustrating your points visually.

Keep up the good work!

Posted by: Kevin Hillstrom | Nov 26, 2006 11:05:03 PM

Unfortunately I read this too late to play the contest, but per the second update, here are a few jargon triplets I'll throw out:

* Paceline, endo, lanterne rouge
* Single 9, eggbeater, invert cheese
* Calling, garment, sustain
* Swell, great, expression shoe
* Mark time, pit, battery

Posted by: Jacob Thurman | Nov 26, 2006 11:54:21 PM

Some triples:

* shift, step, break
* ferment, sponge, poolish
* zone, push, pull

I'm stumped on all of Jacob's, but I'm guessing that 'single 9, eggbeater and invert cheese' are to do with freestyle skiing.

Posted by: Piers Cawley | Nov 27, 2006 12:22:52 AM

Here's a question for you, Kathy!

Different types of people are drawn into different professions and hobbies. Some people enter a domain because of love for the domain itself; others enter because they love the people in the domain. Which real-life domain affords one the highest probability of entering an extremely fulfilling clique? Which domain contains the greatest concentration of highly charismatic people?

For example, in fiction, such a domain would be "saving the world." Parties of characters that save the world usually have deep and fulfilling bonds. The upper blogosphere also has a high concentration of great people, but it would not qualify because the internet prevents these bonds from forming.

Posted by: l | Nov 27, 2006 1:01:25 AM

H=surfing

Posted by: Scott Hale | Nov 27, 2006 1:14:32 AM

What about these ones? I always think of these when the subject is jargon terms:

* Laydown, lowball, bumping

Posted by: Norskie | Nov 27, 2006 2:54:00 AM

While I take your point about jargon, the problem tends to be with people using it *outside* of the group that know what it refers to. Like any other inappropriate use of jargon, that's impolite.

Posted by: Paul Moore | Nov 27, 2006 3:24:15 AM

Jargon is not meant for the layman, which means that Web 2.0 should be hidden, but exactly the opposite happens. You see every new website claiming to be Web 2.0 to the public. It should stay within the domain, for the specialists, for their convenience.

As you said, jargon is very effective between specialists. But it can cause effective miscommunication if everyone involved has different understandings. Web 2.0 means so many things that all the participants are hardly on the same ground.

If Web 2.0 represents a set of ideas or concepts, in my opinion there could have been a better name for it. Version numbers are used for a specific reason, it is not very apparent when someone reads a short description about it. I agree with the Web 2.0 concepts, not the way it is used in each and every space available.

Posted by: Abhijit Nadgouda | Nov 27, 2006 3:36:54 AM

What's Web 2.0? We love to say: 'Web' for ordinary people.

I'll give you my triads

* convention over configuration, DRY, agile

and the holy one

* cru, terroir, cépage

Posted by: Luca Cremonini | Nov 27, 2006 5:08:25 AM

I suggest that a relevant triad is:

Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, Godel Incompleteness Theorem, Quantum Mechanics Observer

Why?

Because these share the property that

a) They are real technical concepts
b) Almost everyone you will ever meet who invokes them is a marketing hypester who is horribly abusing the technical concepts in order to sell you something.

"Web 2.0" is a net bubble-blower way of saying "New And Improved".

Posted by: Seth Finkelstein | Nov 27, 2006 5:39:31 AM

Cat

Horse

Square

Posted by: Sean C. | Nov 27, 2006 6:41:09 AM

"cru, terroir, cépage"

I'm going to guess things related to wine.

Terroir is the only one that I recognize.

Posted by: Sean C. | Nov 27, 2006 6:43:22 AM

* cru, terroir, cépage

These are wine, though it's a little unfair to use another language.

Mine:

jump, gutter, slug

Posted by: Anne | Nov 27, 2006 6:51:50 AM

I thought H was DJing, for sure... all 3 are VERY common terms.

Posted by: Jimmy | Nov 27, 2006 7:25:11 AM

Kathy,
This is an epic post. Thanks for putting it together I have saved your graph for other posts on my blog. The insight is so right on. Concepts like efficiency and relevance ring true and conversations evolve quickly when optimized.

Look forward to reading your blog. I'm now subscribed.

Posted by: John Furrier | Nov 27, 2006 7:44:11 AM

Try this one:
feather, telemark, whisk

Posted by: Glenn | Nov 27, 2006 7:55:03 AM

Sports are really god for churning out jargon:

Y) huck, breakmark, lay out
Z) seated row, split snatch, power clean
AA) blade, catch, cox
BB) button hook, fly, post
CC) stunt, swim, rip
DD) floater, 2-3, jab step
EE) hit and run, squeeze, balk
FF) blue-dot, tin, PARS

So is medicine. My girlfriend's a doctor, and she doesn't poke a patient, she "palpates" him. A patient doesn't walk, he "ambulates". Nobody has a bruise, they have a "hematoma". And so on and so forth. I could go into domain-specific jargon groups just from hearing her speak, but I don't trust myself to get them completely right.

Which leads me to my serious point: Jargon is good and bad. Doctors from different disciplines sometimes have difficulty speaking to each other, because emergency physicians may call something by one name, while obstetricians call it another.

While this is fairly rare in her experience, doctors have a much more standard education than do computer scientists, and smaller gaps in communication between disciplines. Thus, I fear we're already at a point where database specialists may have a different name for a concept than do programming language researchers.

We should take care to try and make our jargon (of which there is already quite a lot) compatible and eliminate duplication in it as much as possible. If we do so, then I think it does indeed raise the level of discussion.

If I get a chance, maybe I'll write something coherent about the balance on my blog.

Posted by: Bill Mill | Nov 27, 2006 8:23:38 AM

H is definitely from the electronic music arena. Although it's a bit confusing because break/build are from the production side whereas trainwreck is a DJ term. Still, I'm impressed that the first reply got all of the others right. Never would have known half of those.

Unfortunately Kathy, I think the fact that you put a set of Star Trek terms in there belies your point that jargon necessarily communicates anything tangible. Jargon can be science, but it can also often be pseudoscience (autointoxication, colloidal, coffee enema - there's a nice set of jargon that actually does have technical meaning but is still bunk).

The real problem with Web 2.0 as jargon is that jargon is specific to a domain, whereas the term "Web 2.0" actually collects concepts from several different domains: economics, politics, technology, management, and marketing to name a few. That leads to it being used (correctly, in a sense) by all sorts of people in all the different domains who only understand the part that applies to their domain.

Just say what you mean instead of relying on these one-size-fits-all labels. Democratic, decentralized, Ajax, social, feedback-driven, etc.

Posted by: Aaron | Nov 27, 2006 8:31:51 AM

Anne, cru - terroir - cépage...
you can't translate these, please!

Posted by: Luca Cremonini | Nov 27, 2006 8:34:27 AM

On making "newbies" feel welcome to a community forum: the other day, I was looking at a couple of PDF documents I downloaded from "lordoftherings-soundtrack.com", containing detailed track notes from the complete "Fellowship of the Ring" and "Two Towers" film scores. These contain a fair amount of music jargon -- but all of the music terms, including instrument names, are hot-linked to Wikipedia articles.

So, why couldn't a community forum do something similar? Surely there's an automated way of identifying specialized keywords on the fly, and cross-linking them to a dictionary. Or perhaps the definitions could appear in a pop-up when the user hovers the mouse cursor over a keyword of interest. Then "newbies" could learn as they go.

Posted by: Bob from Denver | Nov 27, 2006 9:20:01 AM

Just to get into the game, I will offer:

bob, single, "miss and catch"

But more imnportantly there is another dimension, not yet picked up: the apparently paradoxical use of jargon to simplify, particularly where participants may have no common non-specialised language. Air traffic control is an obvious example, where there is tightly controlled subset of English which is more or less completely incomprehensible to the uninitiated. An example of a different approach to a similar problem is used by the Eurostar train service between London, Paris and Brussels, where a driver whose native language is English may need to speak - particularly in an emergency - to a signaller who speaks either French of Flemish (and every other combination of those three languages). The solution is to have a highly standardised lexicon, it isn't to attempt to teach train drivers to be fluent in three languages.

Posted by: marek | Nov 27, 2006 9:36:41 AM

Here are my three:
seeing, targets, faint fuzzies

Posted by: Diana | Nov 27, 2006 9:44:26 AM

"But if you took away our jargon, the conversations would not just be slower, they'd be dumber. We couldn't converse on some of the more sophisticated, complex, higher-level ideas about horses or software development. "

I disagree. If you can't hold an intelligent conversation on a topic or discuss complexities within a topic without resorting to jargon, or if you can't explain a topic to a layperson without using jargon, you are in no way an expert on the topic. I see this a lot in the sciences, especially technology. The people that were the most knowledgeable about a subject were also the ones who could explain it in very simple terms using simple analogies. Jargon between experts is simply a shortcut. Two physicists could have a meaningful conversation about physics without resorting to jargon, it would just take them longer.

IMO AJAX is jargon often misused as a buzzword because it represents real, physical (well as physical as computer code can be) things. Web 2.0 is just a buzzword because the things it "represents" are ethereal and wispy. No one really argues over what AJAX means.

Posted by: Scott | Nov 27, 2006 9:49:32 AM

I admit, I've been among those in the hate-for-the-web-2.0-buzzword camp... however, I agree completely with your point about the goodness of jargon vs. the badness of buzzwords; I suppose I just haven't been able to see "web 2.0" as meaningful jargon, and therefore by default classified it as a buzzword.

You have a good point, though; if "web 2.0" can have a specific, useful meaning in the proper context, then we shouldn't let mis-use of the term as a buzzword prevent the continued use for it. Similarly, people abuse/mis-use the term "Ajax" regularly, but that doesn't make it less meaningful when used appropriately... ;-)

Posted by: Phil Crissman | Nov 27, 2006 10:05:07 AM

Re: Jargon — I totally buy your line for internal audiences within a shared environment (as opposed to Development talking with Marketing, e.g.). But where jargon is a killer is when someone describes their offerings to someone outside the firm who doesn’t necessarily understand or share that jargon. In a presentation or selling situation, it really hampers your communications. And, unfortunately, it happens all too often, because people either don’t realize they’re doing it OR they have a misguided notion that they can get their prospects to buy into the presenter’s preferred lexicon. I have a post about this, entitled “Jargon-B-Gone”, if you’re interested. (youblog.typepad.com/the_youblog/2006/10/jargonbgone.html)

Re: Triads — here is my contribution: cross; scissors; dummy

JW

Posted by: John Windsor | Nov 27, 2006 10:18:41 AM

* check, fork, skewer

Posted by: Greg Hamer | Nov 27, 2006 10:51:39 AM

Y = Ultimate Frisbee, the sport of Geeks

huck = a long throw to a receiver, typically into the endzone
breakmark = to throw the frisbee over/around/thru a defender's 'mark', who is trying to force you to throw to one side of the field
lay out = a running horizontal leap, to either catch or intercept/block a frisbee in mid-air

Posted by: Dave McClure | Nov 27, 2006 11:11:30 AM

Kathy,
I think you're trying to justify a meaningless thing using some obvious insights about specialization and common vocabulary. I mean, in these days I learned about the common idiom stuff studying Design Pattterns from the Gang of Four, so nothing new to see here.

The point is, to mix some recognized true with a nonsense doesn't make that nonsense more concrete. It's just bluff.

Anyway, nice site. The content columns are no wide enough, however. I suppose it's part of the hype stuff. Thanks to the Web Developer firefox plugin that I can dissable your stylesheet.

Good bye Mr. Anderson :)

Posted by: old guard programmer | Nov 27, 2006 11:47:17 AM

a trio of triads for you:
(stroke, crab, slide)
(mud, sand, bead)
(chromatic number, Hamiltonian cycle, clique)

A jargon phrase conveys a domain specific piece of information, a concept or idea. Using that phrase outside of that domain is then invalid. But that's how new words are introduced into the general lexicon. There's confusion while the phrase is "tried out" by those outside the domain. In the process the meaning of the phrase can be changed because those outside of the domain have different associations with the words. They lack the context to grok its essence. As a result the phrase means one thing to specialists and something else to everyone else. That's how good jargon goes bad. It's pure and clear and honest to those who created it, who gave it meaning. But it's vague and confusing to those on the outside of the knowledge domain--who use it but in their ignorance (non-pejorative) use it incorrectly to the specialists' ears. Note that this works both ways. There are more non-specialists than specialists. So the non-specialist meaning becomes the accepted one and the specialist has it wrong....

Posted by: carl | Nov 27, 2006 11:52:05 AM

Let me try something as sleazy as they (three blue letters) can invent:

* Point, Click, Integrate?

As heard on one of their (another three letters) presentation.

Cheers,
DC

Posted by: DC | Nov 27, 2006 11:55:04 AM

Scott said: "If you can't hold an intelligent conversation on a topic or discuss complexities within a topic without resorting to jargon, or if you can't explain a topic to a layperson without using jargon, you are in no way an expert on the topic."

I couldn't agree more. I'm a reporter, and I cover health and science, so I'm constantly trying to get doctors and researchers to talk without using jargon. Some people can do it. But a lot can't. They probably understand their own work, but I think an inability to talk about it without jargon betrays a larger problem: that they don't know how it relates to the outside world. If you haven't ever figured out how to explain your work to your Aunt Mildred, something's wrong. (I don't care how small a detail of the cell's replication machinery you're working on, there's a way to put it in context.)

The excessive use of jargon bothered me I was a science grad student myself. In my former field, the jargon flies fast and furious. But different people use the same words to mean different things, and when you actually dig into some of the terms, you realize they mean nothing at all. If scientists in that field would take the time to say what they mean instead of using shortcuts, they'd be able to exchange a lot more interesting ideas.

That said, I'll share some jargon from my current line of work, which means you can't guess, because I already said what I do, but oh well, here it is anyway:
slot, graf, cq
(I suppose you can still guess what they mean.) :)

Posted by: mellie3 | Nov 27, 2006 12:02:13 PM

All the time we need to translate our jargon into English for our clients. Here's some examples (I'll avoid acronyms):
Wild Woosey; Pamper; Zip

I hope there's a time of reckoning where all the examples of jargon are explained. I'll tell if you tell... :)

Thanks for another great post.

Posted by: Tim | Nov 27, 2006 1:28:33 PM

Jargon is great as long as it isn't used as a shibboleth to exclude people.

Here is my set of words to contribute:
dufek, yard sale, sweep

Posted by: joan | Nov 27, 2006 1:43:56 PM

Well, I know how I'm going to be spending my evening... trying to figure out what on earth "faint fuzzies" is part of...

What a great discussion, folks -- thank you so much.

Carl: Thanks so much for this clear and (jargon free ; ) explanation. I think you nailed the issues surrounding how and when people use a word "outside the domain" and both the good--and bad--results.

John Windsor: Yes, I agree -- but just because marketers/sales folks/hypesters have a tendency to employ a jargon word as nothing but a buzzword (which they don't understand) doesn't mean we have to throw out the useful (to some) jargon with the buzzword bathwater. Better to throw out the hypesters and reclaim the words. But you probably hit the most important point of all this -- that a word can be wielded as BOTH a buzzword or jargon, and that's where it really starts to break down. Especially when there's the prospect of money...


Scott and mellie: this is an important point -- and I agree with *part* of it. I do think that someone has to be able to bootstrap people into a tough new topic. I make my living writing books to do just that. But there are some words for concepts that can't easily be explained if those words were taken away. Where would you draw the line? If you kept taking away words from the dictionary, it would become increasingly more difficult to communicate.

So while I see your point, Scott, and in some contexts I completely agree -- it doesn't change the fact that my dinner conversation WOULD be dumber if I had to grope and reach and approximate certain ideas by using other words that don't quite say it.

But again, I could also not agree more that one of the biggest problems is at the beginning level, where someone has to help the learner cross the bridge into these new concepts, let alone the new words that define them. This I feel very strongly about, and work my a** off to keep jargon out of my books unless it's very well explained. Given that we aren't the best writers around, I think this LACK of jargon is one of the things that sets our books apart. So, yes... I reckon you do have an excellent point ; )

To everyone:

One thing I was particularly sloppy about, though, is that there is a huge difference between jargon that represents a very specific *thing* (like, say, a medical tool) and jargon that represents something more broader and/or conceptual. I mixed the two together. They still represent the same thing -- a way to communicate more efficiently (and more interestingly) with others who share a common understanding.

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Nov 27, 2006 1:58:57 PM

Well... there's jargon and then there's simply using a big fancy word when a small one will do just as well. But that's a whole different thing... the point of jargon is that it represents or encapsulates something that another simpler word does not. So, jargon is not the same as "puttin' on airs" although it can certainly be used that way.

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Nov 27, 2006 2:01:43 PM

Normally I'd join in on a purely tech-enthusiast level, but since my degree is in Linguistics I thought see what I could add to the discussion.

In the field of Sociolinguistics this is precisely the kind of stuff that is used as a metric of language. To study the way language changes over time a linguist must first identify niche social groups and then terms unique to that group. Those terms (or, the group-specific meaning of those terms) can be seen to grow and shrink in popularity exactly as the groups popularity grows and shrinks.
Popularity in this sense isn't just name-recognition but actual social authority. When a group is seen as any kind of authority their language is taken as an authority as well.

So Web 2.0, 'The Bubble', etc. might have been terms that stayed closely within the environment of developers and internetsy folks were it not for the monstrous financial impact of the internet. As the group that talks about the internet (and actually knows what they're talking about) becomes a center of attention their group-specific words (jargon) are extracted into the language at large.

And for my triad:
Pull-up, Crocking, Patina

Posted by: Jack Danger | Nov 27, 2006 2:44:38 PM

I'm glad you took a stab at explaining this in context -- the buzzword (like most of them) are off-putting, but the concept is pretty solid.

I doubt any of your other readers will get this triad (without cheating). It might be tough with cheating too, let's see.

Ogg, doosh, scum

Posted by: John Kuner | Nov 27, 2006 3:36:52 PM

smof/filk/larp

Posted by: SweetEnnui | Nov 27, 2006 5:05:20 PM

One point you missed I think was a suggestion of how to bring outsiders in. One thing I find really tough is trying to find out what jargon actually means. I'm a programmer, and reasonably au fait with a broad range of technical terms around computers, but when I came to build my own home PC, I had real trouble working out what all the terms meant.
Jargon is good for communicating, but rather than just providing a beginners area, there needs to be a glossary to allow beginners to migrate to the expert arena. Without that key, that Rosetta Stone, the comunity becomes exclusionist, as experts are repeatedly asked the same "stupid" questions ("What's a Z-buffer? Do I need a big one or a small one?" etc.) and get tired of helping out the n00bs.
The other thing people who use jargon need to remember is that alot of the words they use, are actually words which originally had a different meaning, or inherently have no meaning but seem to suggest something ("imaging" for instance I learned meant scanning documents, but when originally used in a presentation I had no idea what the guy was talking about because he gave no context and could have meant a multitude of things).
I use alot of jargon as a programmer, and when asked to talk to clients, I tailor my speech to my audience, I explain what a few abstract terms mean as I go, which sets people at ease, and also seems to make them more comfortable about asking me to explain any other terms I may forget to explain.

Posted by: CodeMonkey | Nov 27, 2006 6:03:52 PM

Reading Mellie's comment above -- about trying to explain something to Aunt Mildred -- made me think of a powerful addition to this thread. If you're trying to describe something complex to the uninitiated, the most effective tools are metaphors and analogies. These help you take something that might be totally unintelligible to a newbie and make it instantly recognizable and memorable to them.

Of course, analogies can be horribly misused as well. Like the guy who told me his competitors were motorcycles and his offering was a car. Man, was that guy clueless . . .

JW

Posted by: John Windsor | Nov 27, 2006 7:58:59 PM

John: That motorcycle/car thing -- that is hilarious!

CodeMonkey: all excellent points. I especially like:
"alot of the words they use, are actually words which originally had a different meaning, or inherently have no meaning but seem to suggest something"

I never really think about that until I discover I've been completely misled about some old-word-in-new-context, usually only AFTER I've used it wrong at least a million times ; )

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Nov 27, 2006 8:20:34 PM

Honestly, when I first saw your post, I was surprised. Usually your posts are filled with substance, but this one seemed like you just wanted to be on Techmeme.

And yes, I hate the term Web 2.0. Is there such thing as a new Internet company not being a Web 2.0 company? Or will we just keep blindly attaching the label to any new Internet company, regardless of what they're actually doing?

Posted by: Anonymous | Nov 27, 2006 8:38:40 PM

This is veeeery interesting.
"Usually your posts are filled with substance..."

I'm getting the pattern here : )
When people agree with you, your post has "substance". When they disagree, it is "senseless", "meaningless", "empty" or... the funniest one of all -- a ploy to get more traffic. The last thing this blog needs is more traffic... especially when it brings people who don't know me, don't know what the blog is about, and don't care to.

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Nov 27, 2006 10:06:19 PM

jargon triple
(Elmer, bug, junkbox)

Posted by: Larrebo | Nov 27, 2006 11:05:44 PM

Kathy, while I agree with all your points about jargon I think there is a difference between jargon that has specific meaning and jargon that has become overloaded by hype generated by people who are not experts.

In the Web 2.0 case, the term has been adopted and overused and so has lost its meaning. It's one thing to talk about polymorphism with programmers, where the meaning is relatively secure and another to talk to the same tecchies about Web 2.0 because the debate seldom gets past establishing the meaning of the term in the first place.

In my mind this makes the term Web 2.0 "dead" on a semantic level. If you are interested, I posted my thoughts on this in more detail on my blog (http://vincentmaher.com/mit/?p=204).

Now, with the Semantic Web getting the inevitable Web 3.0 label, there is a similar slide of meaning. I suspect this has a lot to do with the fact that the online industry is uncharacteristically diverse and the level of technical understanding varies to such a great degree that there always seems to be a struggle to humanise (and market) new tech jargon and it clearly creates frustrations.

The other problem is that, in the case of Web 2.0, the progression seems to be in the context of use rather than the actual technology itself - the context being the massive growth of the web in the past few years and the economic status of companies in the digital space. As the value of the "product" approaches zero and the value shifts to the audience, the system becomes at risk when there are free products advertising with real dollars on free systems - the money has to come from somewhere, but as each site/service advertises, then sells advertising, the audience dilutes and the so does the value until there is nothing.

Posted by: Vincent Maher | Nov 27, 2006 11:28:54 PM

How about: tank, lock, main assist, to go LD, wipe, pally, shammy, drood, to bubble up, to ninja, oom, toon, mob, noob, to shard, to buff.....

Posted by: Rahul | Nov 28, 2006 1:38:46 AM

Hello. This post inspired one of mine (and I got a puffed-up head when I wrote it) over here. I don't discuss jargon specifically, but I can do that here.

Today, I found one of Google's "hidden" websites (it was linked in the blog) and what popped out at me immediately was this: "the central role that teachers play in breaking down the barriers between people and information". In the context of jargon, this means that teachers are ultimately responsible for opening the doors of jargon up to people trying to learn. I don't mean "teachers" as a profession, though you can certainly make a profession out of it. I mean that when you take on the role of a teacher, one of the intermediate steps for a student is to learn the jargon.

And "Web 2.0" doesn't qualify as jargon until it actually IS shorthand for something; there feels like there's too much disagreement around for that to be true, at the moment.

But, I would emphasize that jargon terms can be used by laymen as buzzwords. One of the most well-known of misused terms is "introvert". It's a jargon term, for psychology, and I don't know enough myself to understand it, but it definitely means something. But in the public, it's buzzed. Drank too much kool-aid. Getting tipsy now.

Posted by: Michael Chui | Nov 28, 2006 1:47:03 AM

Actually it is:
Why Web 2.0 is more than one buzzword.

Posted by: ace | Nov 28, 2006 5:41:46 AM

marbles, lucky dog, scuffs

Posted by: Mitchell Land | Nov 28, 2006 6:39:23 AM

Kathy

I think you need to flesh out the distinction by giving examples of the three categories i.e. useful jargon, verbose jargon and buzzwords in the context of let's say the main areas of your life, i.e. your blog, your dayjob and a hobby.

After all, one person's jargon is another's buzzword or worse. Illustrations of how you're defining these categories will help make your point to the naysayers.

Posted by: John Dodds | Nov 28, 2006 7:34:38 AM

John: I think you're right -- there are definitely different categories and I think it could use more fleshing out, but there is nothing that will "help you make your point to naysayers." The chances of changing anyone's mind on this are zero. I was simply offering a different perspective...

Michael: "And "Web 2.0" doesn't qualify as jargon until it actually IS shorthand for something; there feels like there's too much disagreement around for that to be true, at the moment."

I disagree, and that was my (not well made) point -- there ARE people for whom "Web 2.0" is meaningful and specific. It's doesn't represent a concrete item--like a tool--but it does represent a set of principles and practices that while not as well-defined as, say, Six Sigma, it's still meaningful and useful shorthand for a lot of people. In fact one of the reasons it's become so useful for *that subset of people who (mostly) agree on what it means* is because it encompasses so many different things without having to list them individually.

But... your next point describes one of the biggest problems with it:
"jargon terms can be used by laymen as buzzwords."

No question--and I tried to make that clear in my post--that "Web 2.0" is terribly misused by so many people that it HAS become largely meaningless outside of that subset of people who share a common understanding of it -- the center of which is the O'Reilly folks, but it radiates out from there.

Vincent: That was the best explanation of much of what's wrong with the label "Web 2.0". And I especially appreciate how you were able to disagree while adding new insight and information to the discussion, rather than simply shutting me down with the "you're an idiot and represent what is wrong with the world today" attitude. ; )

Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Nov 28, 2006 8:39:15 AM

tsk tsk - it will most definitely help you make your point to naysayers - I said nothing about their accepting it!

Posted by: John Dodds | Nov 28, 2006 10:10:21 AM

Kathy, you are the best, you nailed it.
As for the jargon terms, what about "instant, interupt, tapped"... ah, those were the days.... ;)
And I am phasing out.

Posted by: Jan Korbel | Nov 28, 2006 10:20:18 AM

Answers to my jargon triplets:

* Paceline, endo, lanterne rouge - Cycling. Paceline is a single-file line of cyclists all drafting each other. Endo is to fly head-first over the front of the bike. Lanterne Rouge is the guy who is in last place in the race.

* Single 9, eggbeater, invert cheese - Drumming. There are all "rudiments," or basic building blocks of drumming.

* Calling, garment, sustain - Mormonism. A calling is the "job" one has in the church. Garments are underwear. To "sustain" someone is to vote in favor of them having a certain calling.

* Swell, great, expression shoe - Organs. The swell and great are two of the keyboards on an organ with multiple keyboards. An expression shoe is a foot pedal that controls the volume of part of the organ.

* Mark time, pit, battery - Marching bands. To mark time is to move one's feet in time without going anywhere. The pit is the part of the marching band on the front sideline that does not march. The battery is the drummers that march on the field.

As for everyone else's, I'm totally stumped. These responses are a great way to find out just how much you really don't know.

Posted by: Jacob Thurman | Nov 28, 2006 1:29:41 PM

Dedicated, adopted, metalled.

Posted by: Paul Morriss | Nov 29, 2006 3:12:44 AM

* Pledge, Turn, Prestige (Hint: from the movie The Prestige)

It would be really interesting to see all of the trios compiled in one place with answers. :-)

Thanks for all the fun blogs!

Posted by: Q^2 | Nov 29, 2006 8:43:28 AM

Oh, I'll define mine, from the world of journalism:
slot, graf, cq
The slot is the copy editor who does the final check on a story. A graf is a paragraph. And putting "cq" in your text tells editors that a fact (an unusual spelling of a name, for example) has been checked.

Posted by: mellie3 | Nov 29, 2006 8:54:41 AM

Triple:

LFG, Scholo, PST

Posted by: luke | Nov 30, 2006 9:40:06 AM

I struggle with the whole buzzword thing myself. I really like the distinction you make between buzzwords and jargon. It's a very useful way to look at things. But at the same time I'm not 100% sold on the strict buzzwords=bad jargon=good dichotomy.

I don't think buzzwords are always used to "impress or mislead". I think sometimes they are actually used to help a good idea crystallize and spread. I posted about this a while back at http://www.obviousness.net/2006/09/buzzwords-on-trial.html

Posted by: John Ounpuu | Nov 30, 2006 11:06:26 AM

I was surprised not to see any jargon from this branch! My contribution for the day...
Ostinato, Flam tap, Bozzio

Thought stimulating and fun topic!
Y?

Posted by: Yasmin Claire | Nov 30, 2006 10:18:17 PM

An interesting post on Jargon. I like the lists, and therefore I will contribute a short line myself;

e2e, silverburner, throw-up

Posted by: Sam | Dec 2, 2006 10:43:51 PM

here are a few:
patch, eight, three. (compulsory school figures, a no-longer-practiced branch of figure skating)
lutz, sal, toe. (figure skating jumps)

I could go on ;)

Posted by: Sara | Dec 3, 2006 5:47:30 PM

There's a big difference between using jargon and not being able to describe it in layman's terms.

I can describe them if necessary, but if I'm doing the ACM's ICPC, it's important to be able to say "that's just a simple DP" or "reformulate to a graph and use prim's". Describing them every time would obfuscate the important part. Someone's point about GoF patterns was a good one.

Of course, language itself is perhaps the ultimate jargon. Sequences of sounds or letters that are used to represent a concept. If I only speak French, "non-jargon" English is still useless.

Here's my triple: hiking, trapeze, turtle

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Posted by: Ralph Miner | Dec 4, 2006 11:27:49 AM

I have a love/hate relationship with jargon. I hate it when I don't know the terms and have no idea where to start figuring them out--but I love studying the terms because I feel that I learn *tons* about something that way. Jargon is incredibly "tightly coupled" (to abduct--and possibly mangle--some jargon that most people here will recognize ;) with its field because of the fact that it was developed *specifically to be used there!* In fact, I'd say that learning the jargon is a great way to get an understanding of the most important concepts of a field because those concepts were so important that special words or phrases were developed specifically to provide an easier/more effective/more precise to communicate them.

--Chamfer, rabbet, lap
--Wheatstone bridge, rectify, Darlington pair
--fine, ledger line, coda
--domain, range, function
--feature, projection, map
--pitch, yaw, roll

Posted by: Joel J. | Dec 6, 2006 12:05:18 PM

Hi

We have been consulting in this space for 2 1/2 years now, it has been good to have an overall term like Web 2.0 because it encapsulates a lot of things - not just for me, but for clients.

They now "sort of" know where we are...before that it was very difficult to do 5 min "elevator" conversations of what you do. Now you start at Web 2.0 an move on from there.

Of course, we can still argue vociferously about *exactly* what Web 2.0 really is, but most people get the big picture

Posted by: alan patrick | Dec 7, 2006 4:46:02 AM

Just passing by, these are from my industry...

1. cream, rise, tack free
2. tensile, tear, elongation
3. friable, r-value, closed-cell content
4. thixotropic, dilatant, centipoise

Cheers,

Peter

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