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Don't ask employees to be passionate about the company!

People ask me, "How can I get our employees to be passionate about the company?" Wrong question. Passion for our employer, manager, current job? Irrelevant. Passion for our profession and the kind of work we do? Crucial. If I own company FOO, I don't need employees with a passion for FOO. I want those with a passion for the work they're doing. The company should behave just like a good user interface -- support people in doing what they're trying to do, and stay the hell out of their way. Applying the employer-as-UI model, the best company is one in which the employees are so engaged in their work that the company fades into the background.
Given a choice, I would work ONLY on projects that followed the Hollywood Model, where people come together with their respective skills and talents, and DO something. Make a web app. Create a book. Build a game. Develop and deliver learning experiences. The happiest moments of my work life were on projects where we pulled all-nighters because we wanted to, not because the corporate culture said we weren't a true team-player/trooper if we didn't.
Employees shouldn't be sleeping in cubes to prove they're "passionate employees." I want to work with people who have a particular set of skills (and interests) who view themselves and one another as either professionals/craftspeople (programmers, designers, engineers, animators, editors, scientists, authors, educators, architects, entertainers, etc.) or as producers and assistant producers (the people who pull it all together, support the craftspeople, and make it happen).
[UPDATE: I do not consider "caring about the user" as separate from "our work." In other words, I consider one who is truly passionate about their work to have "the effect it has on the user" as a fundamental part of that work. A tech book author/teacher who has brilliant wordsmithing and technical breadth but no effect on the reader is not a professional. A software developer who crafts
brilliant code that doesn't include that code's effect on the user is not a professional. Part of what makes us professional/craftspeople is that we value and never forget the POINT of our work, and the point is--for most of us--what it means for the user. It's quite sad that many of our professions have rewarded work without making the user the most important attribute of how we asses that work.]
I realize these aren't mutually exclusive--one can be passionate about their employer and the work they do, but it's a matter of which one employers value. And all too often, it's the wrong one.
The simple 4-quesetion test to see if someone has a passion for their work:
* When was the last time you read a trade/professional journal or book related to your work? (can substitute "attended an industry conference or took a course")
* Name at least two of the key people in your field.
* If you had to, would you spend your own money to buy tools or other materials that would improve the quality of your work?
* If you did not do this for work, would you still do it (or something related to it) as a hobby?
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PASSION FOR EMPLOYER, vs. PASSION FOR WORK
Passionate about the company:
* The ultimate team player who goes along with the group rather than voice dissent
* Works late nights and weekends because "everyone needs to pitch in on this project"
* Defends the company to anyone, anywhere that criticizes or questions its products, policies, or practices
* Puts responsibility to employer above responsibility to customers, without question
* Questions, but does not challenge the status quo
* Is well-liked because they do whatever is asked, enthusiastically
* Accepts (and uses) phrases like, "this is what corporate needs us to do."
* Cares a lot about his career path in the company; focused on getting management recognition.
Passionate about the work:
* Scores well on the 4-question test:
- keeps up with trade/professional journals
- knows who the key people in the industry are
- would spend his own money, if necessary, for better tools
- if they were NOT doing this as their job, they would still do something related to it as a hobby
* Works late nights when, "I'm just one-compile away from this awesome refactoring that's going to make this thing run 40% faster." In other words, they work late when they're driven by something they know they can do better on.
* Defends the quality of his own work (and, in the Hollywood Model, the work of his team).
* Puts responsibility to his own ethics and values--especially related to quality of work--over responsibility to employer.
* May not be extremely well-liked, but is highly respected and tolerated because he's known as one who, "cares deeply about doing the best possible job, and is very good at what he does." [update: the person must be liked well enough for people to want to work with him again... the Hollywood Model has a way of screening out a**holes... nobody calls them for their next project.]
* Does not accept, "this is what corporate needs us to do" when it conflicts with quality and ethics. Must be given a damn good reason why a corporate decision is worth the downsides.
* Does not care about upward mobility in the company. Cares about doing fabulous work and possibly the recognition of his peers in the industry. May stive for professional recognition.
Am I, as always, glorifying the maverick? It only looks that way if your perspective is a Big Company that puts teamwork and company loyalty above all else. In the Hollywood Model, our ability to get work--which means new projects--depends entirely on whether anyone on previous projects wants to work with us again. What you hope for--and what happens--in the Hollywood Model is that when a team is being assembled, someone says, "Hey, last time I worked on the Bar project, Roger did the graphics and he was awesome." And the assistant producer or project manager says, "What's his phone number?"
In the Hollywood Model--despite the glamorous name--whether the project is exciting or sexy has very little to do with whether we view our work together as exciting and sexy. The sound guy pushes the edge with intelligently-adaptive audio that changes subtly as the user navigates into different "places." It doesn't matter that the project is a boring bank's interactive annual report. The programmer (usually my role) builds an authoring tool to help the artists sync their work to the sound way before the engine is ready. The artists decide at the last moment that they aren't happy with something that nobody but they can see, and spend days tweaking something that they swear will have a subconscious impact (for the better) on the user.
There are plenty of companies--even big ones--who are able to foster this kind of enviornment (including some parts of Google, I've heard). And in many small start-ups there is virtually no distinction between passion for the company and passion for the work--they are, essentially, the same thing, driven by the same overall desire to succeed. The companies that have the greatest chance, in my opinion, are the ones who can hang to that. And I would start by thinking of project managers as "producers" and treating the "talent" like gold ; )
Finally, if you really want your employees to be passionate about the company, take lessons from UI and Usability: let people do what they want and need to do, and get the hell out of their way. Unfortunately, too many of our employers are like really bad software--frustrating us at every turn, behaving inconsistently, not giving us a way to learn new things and develop new, cool capabilities, etc.
Remember, when I say I have a passion for a particular piece of software, it's not really the software I'm passionate about. It's always about my passion for what the software lets me DO. Companies should work the same way. By acting like a good UI and letting employees express the passion they have for their work, you'll end up with employees who'd never consider going elsewhere.
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Comments
Politics parallels your line of thinking pretty accurately.
Replace "Passion for the Company" with Passion for the Party, and "Passion for the Work" with Passion for the People.
I'm definitely picking up what you're putting down here, and am happy to say that I scored pretty well on the 4 question quiz. But I wonder -- as a freelancer, how do I use my passion for the work to build my passion for the company (me)? Should I care about one more than the other?
Posted by: Jake Ingman | Feb 6, 2007 9:27:41 PM
Wow, that's an amazing perspective I've never looked at before. Excusing the passion for the company and diving directly into the passion for the profession is a great angle to take.
I really appreciate your thoughts on that, so thank you.
Posted by: Jonathan | Feb 6, 2007 9:48:43 PM
So where do marketers fit into this? Are they professionals or producers?
Posted by: NJG from NYC | Feb 6, 2007 9:58:25 PM
Brilliant, brilliant! I just love your ideas, Kathy. The employer as UI - wow! What would be your analogy for the client who wants something out of a whim or a fancy rather than becaust it is appropriate for the user/learner?
Posted by: Geetha Krishnan | Feb 6, 2007 10:11:08 PM
Kathy,
Public schools are not considered systems that foster creativity among the employees. However, I believe that if we apply what you write at the level of the student and start to think about how it is that we allow students to Kick Ass in the world we will be a better system. The more we at central administration look for the opportunties to get out of the way allow our teachers to create passionate users the better off we will be. We shouldn't get out of the way because that is what the teacher's union wants or that is what the tradition has been. No, we should get out of the way because there is a clarity of vision and agreement on what the outcome should look like (kick ass student).
Posted by: Joe Miller | Feb 6, 2007 10:15:03 PM
NJG: marketers? Depends on how you define that word, I guess. I've had very little exposure to people whose job IS "marketing", but rather I've worked for quite a while to help those of us--like myself--who are NOT marketers learn to do some of what we might think of as marketingish things. But I reckon someone who refers to himself as a marketer would be a craftsperson/professional, rather than a producer. (Or, if they can't pass the 4-question test, then they don't fall into EITHER category... this is not a there-are-two-kinds-of-people thing, it's a there-are-two-kinds-of-people-in-a-successful-Hollywood-model-where-people-are-passionate-about-their-work thing.
A producer is the one who makes a project happen, whether that's a film or album (where we traditionally think of producers) or a book or software application.
Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Feb 6, 2007 10:23:38 PM
Geetha: I have to think about that one a bit, but it sure is a fun one! ; )
Joe: wow wow wow -- I almost teared up over this one:
" We shouldn't get out of the way because that is what the teacher's union wants or that is what the tradition has been. No, we should get out of the way because there is a clarity of vision and agreement on what the outcome should look like (kick ass student)."
Thank you. Every time I hear from an educator who manages to stay motivated and clear under the most challenging circumstances (public school system in US), I'm so heartened. And I know there have been many who've commented here, and it's so encouraging to know they're out there.
Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Feb 6, 2007 10:27:24 PM
Kathy, as a Software Developer and a fan of this site (1st comment - woot!) I am compelled to respond to this article. I am blessed with making a pretty good living pursuing my "hobby". I've been writing software for 13+ years and, though there are good days and bad days, I am passionate about what I do and what I can provide for my employer. However it is difficult finding the environment that fosters, nurtures this passion; I'm affected by bad company policies like the rest of you out there. But I tend "think global, act local" by imbuing my team with my passion; a happy team is a productive team. Anyways - Thanks for the article!
Posted by: Mel Riffe | Feb 6, 2007 11:39:34 PM
Oh, this is just so right I'm stunned. It's frustrating facing management that thinks our hard work and dedication is to code only and that everything we want to change/improve does nothing for the bottom line. It's not about the code, it's about the work! And end-user satisfaction is the ultimate reward. We're not here just to play around earning money, we respect our code and the ass-kickin' our software enables!
Posted by: Jonas | Feb 7, 2007 12:42:44 AM
My immediate thought is Jim Allchin, who doesn't appear to be inclined to defend his company from all comers, yet appears to be making a substantial effort to produce good products. But I haven't noticed him at all except for the notorious memos, so I don't know if he's an actual good example.
Posted by: Michael Chui | Feb 7, 2007 12:43:52 AM
"Given a choice, I would work ONLY on projects that followed a Hollywood Model, [...]"
It took me several tries to parse that fragment correctly!
Posted by: Gihan Marasingha | Feb 7, 2007 1:40:52 AM
I'm wary about the possible interpretation that well-liked people are necessarily less passionate about work than, let's just say it, assholes. When it comes down to it, I don't care if you have the ultimate passion for work if you're a flaming asshole. In fact, I would suggest that assholes are a force in destroying passion in others.
Posted by: Jason Yip | Feb 7, 2007 3:15:18 AM
Thank you
Posted by: Yoav Ezer | Feb 7, 2007 3:53:43 AM
Thought-provoking as usual, Kathy. I guess I'm disagreeing though. I think what counts is being passionate about delivering benefits to customers. I've known real craftsmen who were passionate about their work and didn't care about whoever was receiving the output of that work. That's just as bad as being passionate about the company.
Posted by: Barry Welford | Feb 7, 2007 4:02:48 AM
While loving this post I do worry that it encourages the school of thought that seeks perfection over everything else. I've always maintained that inherently best is the mortal enemy of good enough, and in the final analysis often our customers (internal and external) need something by a certain date. Given their head producers will worry and polish well beyond the level of diminishing marginal returns, with often, on balance, negative consequences for end users.
Sure you've got to work the message - saying "quality doesn't matter" for example is tremendously damaging, but then so is saying, "no, don't worry if it takes another six months, go and find a better image for that icon...".
Posted by: Zwingli | Feb 7, 2007 4:07:16 AM
Joe - I agree on the educational aspect. My mother is a teacher and is so passionate about what she does - the very best teachers are, I think. But her school just does not care about the passion or welfare of its staff, never mind the students. In such a case I think it's difficult for the staff to then keep their passion for their work, and I know this has caused many to leave.
My father was also an art & design teacher and has recently changed careers. Why? Because his school again didn't support the staff who had the passion for their work, and eventually the strain of this has to go somewhere. Rather than risk losing his passion for it altogether, he's decided to move into a different creative career.
Personally, I am a graphic designer and there's no way it could just be my job. It's a hobby, it's what I love to do, it's me. My company doesn't share the passion, but we're getting there. I think I'll send them all this article :-)
Posted by: minxlj | Feb 7, 2007 4:32:51 AM
Company as UI model? I don't think you understand the company as slaver model. Don't you believe in capitalism and the American way?
Where is your acceptance of property owners (shareholders and their proxies the managers) dictating how everyone else should behave? Where is your deference to monied authority?
The more I hear about this caring about people and caring about standards, the more you sound like a communist. Like the old Soviet propaganda about the model worker doing his work for its own sake and for the sake of the People.
I suppose this demonstrates there isn't anything new in business admin that hasn't been discovered in politics more than a century ago. Why, someone could make a nice sideline taking ancient political analyses and spinning them so they're halfway palatable to businessmen.
Posted by: Richard | Feb 7, 2007 4:58:46 AM
hi kathy,
thought provoking as always, and this would be one of my favorite article. gives me a new direction to aspire to. thank you!
Posted by: heri | Feb 7, 2007 5:20:20 AM
great metaphor, great article! thanks for this!
Posted by: Alan Alston | Feb 7, 2007 7:14:51 AM
I'm the CEO of a technology start-up and your post resonates with me. But I'm not sure everyone on a team needs to be so passionate -- it depends what the team is producing. For example, a major component of our product is a database that we built from the ground up. I don't think the people (a really talented, dedicated group) who collected the data are passionate about the actual work. I think they've enjoyed seeing how their efforts fit into a bigger puzzle and living the start-up experience (except they get paid). I hired them because they were smart (always a good hiring criteria), intellectually curious, demonstrated good problem-solving abilities and pride in their work.
Thanks for the great food-for-thought.
Rob
Posted by: Rob Rubin | Feb 7, 2007 7:18:40 AM
Hi Kathy, This is my first time on here and Im enjoying it.
I worked at a software company once and despised every second of it - not because I hate IT work, I love it, but because the company was so badly run.
Despite having some very good people, the company was going down, customers were leaving in droves and there wasn't anything we could do.
It was hard to be passionate about a software company that was so lame that it forbade its programmers to use subroutines !! - I kid you not !!
I was almost relieved when the boss cut me loose. I look back on that time as a lesson in what not to do.
Posted by: Peter | Feb 7, 2007 7:33:25 AM
Richard:
Whoever coded the interpreter module in your brain.exe obviously wasn't very passionate about it working right.
Posted by: Matt | Feb 7, 2007 7:40:18 AM
How about passion for work AND company...
That way you won't feel guilty for selling your soul to the devil just so you can do a particular kind of work that you enjoy.
Posted by: ab | Feb 7, 2007 7:51:45 AM
I have many years experience in software development spanning multiple industries. During this time I've held various positions: developer, IT project manager, architect, business/functional owner and currently VP of IT. And while this doesn't make me an expert, it does give me some insight into what you are talking about.
In my experience it seems that Often times the best technical decision is NOT the best business decision. Conversly, business decisions with short term benefit sometimes create long term pain because they are the wrong technical decision. It's a constant struggle to weigh the seemingly opposing influences of technology and commercial considerations. What a company needs is employees who can help sort this all out.
There are many types of employees to choose from. In my career I've worked with people who are:
- passionate about not much (anything to pay the bills)
- passionate about their career (anything to get ahead)
- passionate about their craft (anything to do the right thing technically - everything else is crap)
- passionate about the money (anything to make a buck)
- passionate about the company (anything to be a part of something big)
- passionate about the users (anything to help the user kick @$$)
In my opinion, I don't want to employ someone who is only passionate about what they do. In a perfect world all employees would be a combination of passionate about their craft, passionate about the company and passionate about the users. In this case you would have someone who is serious about becoming the very best evidenced by they way they answer Kathy's 4 questions. But they would ALSO be serious about building a company that they can be proud of and software that helps the users rock. This is the only way that they can help you discern between competing priorities of commercial and technical priorities.
Two things we should also not loose sight of:
First, the user is not just the end user. If you are a developer working on a B2B portal, for example, the user is not just the businesses who use the portal to interface with your company. Your users are also those people within your organziation who are responsible for the B2B portal from a P&L perspective. You have to help them rock as well. You also have to respect they responsibility they have. You have to partner with them for the good of the company and the end user. This will undoubtedly mean there will be some technical compromises, but the end result should have farther reaching benefits for all.
Finally, maximizing shareholder wealth is not inherently a bad thing. If you disagree, buy stock in your company (if you can) and see if your perspective changes. Besides, creating shareholder wealth is like helping your investors kick @$$.
Posted by: Steve Akers | Feb 7, 2007 8:25:04 AM
Thank you! I've been saying this for over a year and nobody ever understands me, but you summed it up better than I have been able to.
I wonder if I can get my boss to read this? :)
Posted by: Jimmy | Feb 7, 2007 8:25:17 AM
Jason: I agree on this completely -- but that's one reason why the Hollywood Model in software development generally doesn't tolerate a**holes. If nobody wants to work with you again, you simply don't get work. This is true even within big companies that have project-based models (TRW used to, for example, I have no idea if they still do). When the next project comes up and nobody has chosen you, you're essentially laid off. So, there's a powerful incentive to not be a complete jerk just because you're talented.
Barry: You make a really good point, and Steve echoes this too -- I made an assumption that I did not make clear, so here it is:
I assume that someone passionate about the work does not treat the end-users as a separate issue. In other words, part of what we consider our profession/work/craft is precisely the effect it has on users. I'm a classic example of that. It is impossible for me to say I've written "a good book" if I'm thinking only of the wordsmithing or technical prowess. For me, my *work* is about what happens between the end-user's ears as a result of what I put in the book.
Also, another aspect of the Hollywood Model is that you do not get the luxury of making a perfect widget no matter how long it takes. As with user-happiness, part of your role as a professional/craftsperon is to develop within the constraints--and deadlines are a big constraint!
But yes, we've all worked with people who are so enamored of making the thing perfect that they really don't see anything else. I do not consider that person a true professional. A true architect must care about the people inhabiting the building as passionately as he cares about anything else involved. Caring about the end-user is not some side-on aspect of our work... it IS our work.
I do keep forgetting that not everyone takes this orientation, but again -- someone who spends all their time tweaking something, cares about perfection and not the end user, and does not respect deadlines will simply not get much new work in a project-based model. So it takes care of itself.
The place where these folks can thrive is in a company where it's much harder to be fired for these behaviors when you have an ongoing job.
Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Feb 7, 2007 8:43:50 AM
Caveat:
If you are passionate for your work, you will get nowhere within a company that values employees who are passionate for the company.
Posted by: Singleton | Feb 7, 2007 9:26:07 AM
That's all nice and dandy, but sometimes it's awful hard to be passionate about what you do when it happens to be something extremely boring, like say Accounting. I happen to be very good at what I do and I do work unpaid overtime or weekends, both when it's needed or when I just need to pretend that I'm a hard worker, but the only thing I'm passionate about it's my paycheck.
Posted by: randomboy | Feb 7, 2007 10:04:17 AM
Of course this only applies to areas where someone *can* be excited about their work.
I would like to see how you apply this theory to McDonalds or your average call center.
Posted by: rhubarb | Feb 7, 2007 10:16:59 AM
rhubarb and randomboy: I have no need to apply this theory in those scenarios. My daughter is working part time as a waitress while going to school and there's no need or expectation for her to try to be "passionate about her work".
But the context of this blog IS passion (the blog is about "creating passionate users"), so your point is valid, but not relevant to this context. I can think of a dozen jobs I had working just for my paycheck, but my post specifically mentioned the Hollywood Model and people working as professionals/craftspeople.
rhubarb, I have to say that there IS someone who took on the challenge of helping people find--if not passion, then something close--FLOW and growth--in their jobs as switchboard operators. It's discussed in "The Inner Game of Work", and the results were nothing short of stunning. He took on a challenge I would never have imagined working, and found a way to give those operators something veeeeeery interesting and meaningful to work on while still doing just the same thing they were always doing. I highly encourage you to read it.
As for accounting, well -- my accountant finds his work anything but boring. But perhaps that's because my lack of organization has given him some serious challenges... ; )
Singleton: Oh how true that can be. I did say that I no longer work at Sun...
Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Feb 7, 2007 10:53:39 AM
Excellent Post (And also some fantastic comments), I agree with Kathy, an Employer "demanding" passion for the company can rub some people the wrong way, BUT... We have to factor other ideas that will definitely have an impact on the way a company handles itself, for instance:
- An employer would only be able to do this with a team that it trusts both technically and ethically.
- The only logical explanation i can think of (and you're welcome to present more) for an employer to keep such a "fantastic" environment is to create a hard-to-leave work environment, which is the same as trying to make employees passionate about their company/work environment.
- With the amount of competition out there, an Employer would want his team(s) to not only share the his passion level and "defend the company" in the battlefield, but i can see him thinking about them as his ARMY (now, imagine wars that every professional sniper would perform without checking for "the master plan")
Now, please understand that I agree this is something that should not be asked; but, i can definitely understand why it happens. You'll rarely see 5 people in a meeting talking about "the right way" to do something and agreeing 100%, and when an agreement is not reached, Bosses make a decision and the person(s) that did not agree form their own "righteous counsil" in which present and past decisions are criticized, and from here an incredible dynamic cycle occurs (it seems to be because it happens over and over and over again).
I've been a Developer most of my professional life (now a VP), have no idea why i am passionate about every company i've worked for, or even why i think like this... But I do!
Posted by: Geo | Feb 7, 2007 10:57:40 AM
Geo: what a wonderful and thoughtful response! And yes, I agree that trust is a big factor. As for keeping employees, I'll go back to the software metaphor: when you study companies with passionate users, those users have simply mapped their passion for the thing that company lets them do (i.e. their real goal) onto the company itself. I'm passionate about Adobe InDesign not because I'm passionate about Adobe InDesign, but because I have a passion for the things InDesign lets me do and... InDesign/Adobe as the facilitator, gets to ride along (what the psychologists refer to as attribution or perhaps *mis*attribution). If you ask if I'm passionate about Adobe, I'll say ABSOLUTELY!!
So... we trust that if a company supports an employee's passion for their work (which again, does not separate quality of product from effect on end-users), the employee will end up feeling more connected and loyal to that company than if the company had set out to get employees passionate about the company.
I hope I'm making sense here... the main point is this:
* When employees are passionate about their work, the company that supports that passion is the most likely to have passionate employees. And in that case, there really is very little difference between passion for the work and passion for the company.
Thanks so much for the comment.
Posted by: Kathy Sierra | Feb 7, 2007 11:21:49 AM
Sing it sister. Well said. EXACTLY what I needed to hear. Thanks.
Posted by: B | Feb 7, 2007 11:41:49 AM
This is why we have events like BarCamps and Geek Dinners and why we have open source software.
The companies that are successful, Apple, Google, and even Microsoft, all have passionate developers. People that want to go to work and want to be challenged seek out companies like these.
I'm glad you posted about this, I've been trying to explain this idea to a lot of people recently and this will help.
Posted by: Ian Muir | Feb 7, 2007 11:53:32 AM
Randomboy:
Maybe it's time to look at doing something else?
Posted by: Justice~! | Feb 7, 2007 11:55:03 AM
I have to wonder how you reconcile something that appears to me to be conflicting claims:
* Puts responsibility to his own ethics and values--especially related to quality of work--over responsibility to employer.* Does not accept, "this is what corporate needs us to do" when it conflicts with quality and ethics. Must be given a damn good reason why a corporate decision is worth the downsides.
seems to me to conflict with:
Also, another aspect of the Hollywood Model is that you do not get the luxury of making a perfect widget no matter how long it takes. As with user-happiness, part of your role as a professional/craftsperon is to develop within the constraints--and deadlines are a big constraint!But yes, we've all worked with people who are so enamored of making the thing perfect that they really don't see anything else. I do not consider that person a true professional.
See, I agree with Steve that business concerns need to play a role in determining technological trade-offs. I see a lot of distrust of technologists in business and I think it is due to the suspicion that their technologists are willing to sacrifice company interests for technological ones. Your post seems to say as much. That's a scary thing for businesses. A business's very existance is in the hands of their technologists. If those technologists are willing to sacrifice responsibility to the business for something as nebulous as "quality of work", well, you can't really blame a company for not being terribly excited about that, can you?
Posted by: Jacob | Feb 7, 2007 12:28:41 PM
Great post. Ideally, it'd be nice to feel some attachment to the company's global purpose, right? If I created a great program for Osama, and it helped the users (i.e. Al Queda) beautifully, wouldn't it be narrow-minded of me to feel satisfaction for this? Conversely, shouldn't I want to work for a company that I believe helps other people and makes the world a bit better...and shouldn't I be passionate about this? This idea of just being a "soldier" and not asking questions about the broader purpose of your company's work is seems a little shallow. Vonnegut has a some cool things to say about this in "Cat's Cradle".
All that said, I realize not everyone (including me) can find employment with a company that is truly in line with their world-view - people have to pay the bills somehow...so some people will end up working for the Wal-Marts of the world unfortunately (or maybe that's not a bad thing, depending on what you believe). Anyway, in that case, this blog's right-on...focus on creating quality is whatever way you can.
Posted by: Ben Northrop | Feb 7, 2007 12:54:01 PM
I sent this to my boss! Thanks for a great article.
Posted by: Meagan | Feb 7, 2007 1:23:51 PM
Wow... this was great! I'm really glad you shared this! I'm going to pass the link on to a few others at my job. This made my day!
Posted by: Darren | Feb 7, 2007 2:37:55 PM
All good and nice but how do I get my employess passionate about cleaning toilets, ensuring hygenic conditions for other employees or satisfied of a job well done when the soap taps are refilled? Yes it's nice to be a skilled artistic crafsperson who exerts passion and effort when they feel good about it, but there is a world out there that is just required to get on with the job because it's expected, because it's needed and because it has to happen in a timely manner.
Posted by: Rexel | Feb 7, 2007 3:24:15 PM
Kathy:
Well, you've done it again! Just when I thought I couldn't want to write/think like you more, you go and knock it out of the park...again.
I completely agree with you and I think there's a neat by-product of this concept. If a company truly believes that people should be passionate about what they do and hires these passionate people for the right roles in the company, then the people will probably end up being passionate about the company.
Google was a good example. Are the employees there passionate about Google because it's a big, famous company? Probably some, but I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of people there were allowed to be passionate about what they do and were supported by Google and therefore became passionate about Google.
It'd be interesting to see how many of the companies that annually make it in the "Top Places to Work" list take this type of advice to heart.
Posted by: Kevin Behringer | Feb 7, 2007 3:32:19 PM
Kathy, solid as always- The employer-as-UI analogy=genius and this is a great 1-2 punch with yesterday's post on how to get users to evangelize.
Greg Allman of the Allman Brothers said something like "You play for the gods and people just happen to be there to hear it." I suppose the argument could be made that (with art at least) you make the best possible artwork for a higher purpose and don't care about how your users perceive it...
You should play around in CambrianHouse.com to see what they're all about. I think you mentioned it at one point awhile back but you would definitely appreciate the passion of their community and the vision of people that excel at their particular craft working together directly to build great things they could not do alone. Disclosure: I had an idea take 2nd in their tourney for January.
The funny thing is by default the people reading your blog are inherently the ones who care enough about their work and their users. The comments here on your blog will mostly be resounding agreement - it would be more interesting to see these concepts presented in an environment that is traditionally stodgy and see the responses.
Our startup (JumpBox) is 4 people at this point and we are fueled almost exclusively right now by the magnitude of the revolution in cubeland that our JumpBox applications could enable in allowing non-tech people to sidestep the shackles that IT currently holds over them as far as being the gatekeepers for setting up powerful open source apps. Your blog continues to be a source of inspiration as it prompts us always to think of our business in terms of how we help them "kick ass." Thanks.
sean
Posted by: Sean Tierney | Feb 7, 2007 3:54:19 PM
Kathy, you hit the nail on the head again - well done. So I don't particularly like the company I work for, and the job is something I enjoy less than 50% of the time. However, there's that element of money - they pay well. I must be in trouble on all accounts! I continually look at what I like to do, what I'd like to do, future, money, etc. Any tips on how to rationalize my future?!
Posted by: twodee | Feb 7, 2007 4:32:21 PM
As a marketer, how do you light up a hit and make it sticky? In any of that are you passionate about the company? The product? The concept? The use? The user? The economic buyer?
The only time a marketer should be selling the company is when they are doing investor relations. Otherwise, think about it in the FAB framework. The benefits are in the use of the product, not the product. So focus on the use and user.
As to professional or producer, doesn't that depend one's role in the company. Can someone be passionate about the buracracy that provides the resources, sure. Would you rather get your budget from someone that can see the connection between the spend and the use and user benefit, rather than last year's numbers, or this year's cash flow.
Posted by: David Locke | Feb 7, 2007 5:14:06 PM
What you call "The Hollywood Model", my friends and I call "Heist Management". When one of us has a "network down" situation, we start thinking in terms of a bank heist movie: you get your face man, your explosives expert, your driver, your computer expert, etc. I only mention this because (and I might be biased) the phrase "Heist Management" just sounds cooler.
Also, I wish my boss would start reading these links to your posts I keep sending him. *Sigh*
Posted by: Josh Matthews | Feb 7, 2007 7:10:39 PM
Kathy: this is one of your best pieces ever. Your blog was something we had to follow for a webapps class. Obviously this professor was "the man" because I've loved it since. I've been following you for a while now and really appreciate your ability to get me motivated.
As an undergrad in philosophy I bailed on computer science because I was afraid of the evil cubicle. But now that I've sort of seen the way I've come back with that key ingredient: passion.
So in a word, thanks.
And in a few, keep 'em comin.
Cheers.
Posted by: Chris Continanza | Feb 7, 2007 9:30:56 PM
That's one of the reasons why I would only employ people who are good at what they do and/or passionate on what they do. If not, what's the point of working? Working is all about fun, if there's no fun, s/he won't be productive and efficient.
But hey, it's still difficult to bring these people in a group and work together. ;)
Posted by: KE Liew | Feb 8, 2007 12:33:13 AM
Great post, Kathy. It's something I've recently been struggling with at my company (I just wasn't doing what I wanted to be doing) and they totally surprised me by opening some doors that will allow me to move from where I am now to where I actually want to be. I was already passionate about the work I wanted to do, but this also made me more passionate about the company. I think that's a win-win. :)
BTW, I think today's Dilbert is pretty relevant to this post: link
Posted by: Natasha | Feb 8, 2007 5:03:24 AM
I surely agree with the bottom line and, like so many others here in their comments, I think it would be good advice for every employer in the field. But, from an employee's perspective, is all this not about mistaking work for life?
As a software developer, I have a job (something which does not anymore go without saying, by the way, so employers are more and more free to dictate working conditions without listening to anyone), and I have one which is ok, and I still see the job as an art which I strive to master - but I would never, ever even remotely think of voluntarily pledging myself to such an occupation, were it not necessary to earn an income.
And "passion" I have for life, for the people I love and I like (which are not necessarily those I have to work with), "passion" I have for ideas and efforts to make the lives of majorities of my own society, and majorities of this planet's population, more worth living. Besides that I see myself as someone who does his job well, but don't ever ask me to develop a "passion" for it.
I could develop such a passion only in a society where things would get done in free association of free individuals. Free as in free from pressure to sell ones hide on job markets to those who own the world.
Posted by: D. Driver | Feb 8, 2007 6:25:30 AM
"...It's quite sad that many of our professions have rewarded work without making the user the most important attribute of how we asses that work."
Heh. My English parser segfaulted on that one. Perhaps you meant assess? :D
Posted by: anonymous | Feb 8, 2007 8:00:08 AM
Brilliant as always, Kathy. I think that everyone should answer those four questions. And if the answers are "no" or something lukewarm, I believe that that person should look for another job/career!
I answered them and asked others to as well on my own blog here: http://talkitup.typepad.com/weblog/2007/02/the_queen_of_pa.html
Posted by: Heidi Miller | Feb 8, 2007 10:15:48 AM
Thanks Kathy for giving me a word for my job description. I was trying to explain my role to someone yesterday: project management. except I hate to call it that because it has negative connotations. I’d really rather say "product development with a focus on helping others on the team do and get what they want."
Producer.
Bingo! Thank you!
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Posted by: Tim Bailen | Feb 8, 2007 5:13:57 PM
Passion for both works too, and this applies to vendors as well as employees.
For example, we only pick people who are passionate about their profession/work, but we also want them to be passionate about the getting work from us. It's easy enough to do too. And in return, they are never too busy for us and produce superior work than they do for employers they are less passionate about. So, passion for an employer is hardly irrelevant, despite the compelling case and interesting discussion.
Funny. The Hollywood model says it all... sometimes it's a hit, sometimes it's not. I think businesses can do better than a maybe with the right culture.
Posted by: Richard Becker | Feb 8, 2007 5:44:41 PM
I like what you wrote here. It's why I like academia, actually, despite the many downsides of it (feudal hiring systems, low pay...) -- it's stuffed with people who love their work, and administrated by people who at least try to stay out of the way...
Posted by: shoppista | Feb 9, 2007 3:33:54 AM
The "true professionals are not perfectionists" comment touched me because I could't honestly see me out of the image.
Not that I represent well professionals or perfectionists, but when I am one I am just crazy.
Maybe a perfect professional should not aim for perfection.
Posted by: Mario | Feb 9, 2007 5:14:46 AM
Very nice article, I've made an sarticle on becoming a software development expert if you'd like to read it:
http://riseagain.wordpress.com/2007/02/07/becoming-a-software-development-expert/
Posted by: CDriK | Feb 9, 2007 10:38:12 AM
I think some jobs are suitable for being passionate over, and they tend to be more creative. Nobody cares about passionate janitors because there's little difference between a 95% job and a 100% job. Some may say that the same is true about automobiles, but BMW owners may disagree. Some may say that about word-processors, but LaTeX users may disagree. And so on.
Right now I think the best widely-known example of a company that has demonstrated it can be passionate is Apple. Search google for "insanely great". Note that I am not including the period where they did not have Steve Jobs in the company. And Linux has done about the same thing, but without being a for-profit corporation.
The best software is software written by a person to solve their own problems; by definition, they are both a programmer and a user, and so no disconnect can occur.
Posted by: solinym | Feb 9, 2007 8:30:36 PM
Oh yeah, almost forgot. Richard was being ironic. The fact that he called business slavers was a giveaway. He was satirizing the "greed is good, but not for you" attitude. IMHO capitalism triumphed over communism because of a few reasons:
1) It's a safer bet to bet on people acting in their own interest than in acting for the good of humanity. Put simply, capitalism only relies on greed.
2) Most of the so-called Communist countries are not; their strongmen endorsed communism so that they could nationalize private industry's resources, essentially legal theft. And people wonder why the CFR has so many "communists" in it. For them, it is simply a tool of concentrating the wealth in a few hands. Go read a translation of Marx's Communist Manifesto and tell me that is anything like the former USSR. Also note how many of its planks were adopted by other, Western countries. Like free education, and a progressive income tax. When a father lets whoever needs the family car most use it, that's "from those with the means to those with the needs". It just doesn't scale because of reason #1. Also, it's unclear how clean the toilets could be. But ironically, janitors get paid less than more desirable occupations. Riddle me that, Batman!
Posted by: solinym | Feb 9, 2007 8:41:00 PM
I am touched by this post. It's always my dream to get a career that I am passionated about. When I grow bigger, I found that it is a luxuary to have a job that one loves, especially in Hong Kong where most people work for money, social status and stability. Professional is more about high salary, career path and social status, but not the attitude towards your profession, the satisfcation gained and the value inside.
One of my friend told me that they never question about what they are working for because every jobs are the same to them. They are just looking for how much they can earn and try to retire as early as possible. It is the mentality of most HongKongers.
Yes. In Hong Kong, people is much richer in average to most people the rest of the world but here most people is overwork and unhappy. Maybe every city is similar in some way. It is complicated somehow because of the education system, the global competitiveness and the historical influences.
It's internet that make me know that, in fact, many people, in the other part of the world, are working so hard for their dream and fight for what they love. Therefore, Kathy, I am glad that I have a chance to read your blog and your posts. I am always inspired by what you wrote. You encourage me to move forwards and it means a lot to me. Thank you very much!
Posted by: Uta | Feb 10, 2007 4:35:49 AM
That speaks to my deeps. Great article.
Posted by: Simon | Feb 10, 2007 2:56:04 PM
Kathy, once again you're captured my thoughts exactly. I especially like your acid test for pro company vs pro work. You nailed it.
Posted by: christian | Feb 12, 2007 8:59:40 AM
Another great post. Rather than different types of passion, I've also looked at this as personal responsibility vs. personal advancement - and that can operate outside of a particular company's culture.
There have been times when my standards have been higher than what's expected. That's related to the fact that I'm a bit of a perfectionist about my work.
To do what *I* think is a satisfactory job, I do whatever I have to - spend $ or personal time on training or dial-in after normal working hours - neither of which is particularly visible. Contrast this with a former manager who would tell the big boss he was working late, wait until the big boss pulled out of the parking lot, and then he'd take off (usually dumping work on subordinates).
Posted by: mear | Feb 13, 2007 2:43:59 PM
I have to agree with you 100% Kathy. I work for a company that is very involved with Enterprise Java. Part of what we do involves teaching Java at IBM & Sun Microsystems in South Africa. Whenever we hire new Developer/Instructors I am very involved in the Java, as well as Instructor mentoring process. My first question is always "What makes a good Instructor?". Whenever the answer involves something to the effect "A good instructor is passionate about what they do" I know I am off to a good start with them. Its my philosophy too, and regardless of the company that employs me, My passion for Java and its related technologies allow me to happily transfer my knowledge while enjoying myself.
Posted by: Murray | Feb 14, 2007 7:23:58 AM
Wonderful post - again. I had never quite thought of the company as a user interface, but that is very provocative.
I love the fact that there is a growing chorus of voices defining the new company model. Technical innovation is wonderful - but after a point it becomes rather meaningless without social innovation. It's time to invent a new model for the corporation.
http://rwrld.blogspot.com/2007/01/employees-becoming-entrepreneurs.html
Posted by: Ron Davison | Feb 16, 2007 8:17:56 AM
I would tend to disagree with the opinion that 'people don't care about passionate janitors' or that there are certain jobs you just can't be passionate about.
The janitors in my schools growing up tended to be very passionate, polite and absolutely everyone knew their names because their attitudes rubbed off on the entire school.
I have also worked in a call center, and observed that several people WERE actually enjoying the work, and constantly challenging themselves to be better at it. Flow happens when we challenge ourselves. Just because cleaning toilets doesn't seem glamorous to the vast majority of people doesn't mean there aren't people out there who are able to find a sense of growth and accomplishment while doing them. Kudos to them.
Posted by: Kevin | Feb 16, 2007 9:50:43 AM
Kevin - I'd absolutely agree. There's definitely a great deal of satisfaction to be gained from doing a good job and going home feeling you earned an honest wage that day, whatever that job is - in fact, I'd say as a former call centre worker (over a decade on the job), that MOST of the people I trained started out enthusiastic about learning and awed by just how good the really experienced staff were.
What leaches that away is a) the job is very low status, and b) it's seen as such by senior management, so they never actually bother to ask the people *talking to their customers all day every day* for input on any decisions. (They might ask the advisor's manager's manager's manager, because by that point the person is earning enough that they don't sully themselves by speaking to them, but by that point you just don't have any useful information any more either).
So it doesn't take long to work out that no matter how good you are at your job, no matter how much of a buzz you get out of helping each customer, or coming up with some useful new workaround that you can share with your colleagues - none of this has ANY value at all to anybody except you, oh - and your customer. But who cares about them, eh? Very few people can actually maintain any level of enthusiasm in that kind of environment - so a lot of the old hands were fairly bitter and twisted. What always got me is that it really didn't take much to fire people up again - but it never contributed to the "stats", so it just wasn't a priority. Yet they had plenty of time and money to spend on what I called "in-house marketing" - glossy brochures telling you how bloody fantastic and PASSIONATE the company was. Classic case of what Kathy describes. I think one of the most telling symptoms is when you hear senior management blaming the *staff* for not being passionate enough...
Posted by: yon | Feb 16, 2007 2:09:34 PM
DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PASSION FOR EMPLOYER, vs. PASSION FOR WORK
There is room for one more: PASSION FOR THE FIELD
Posted by: security | Feb 19, 2007 12:40:58 AM
One of the better articles I've ever read. I relate with your words in a ridiculous number of ways and am encouraged to hear that I'm not alone.
Thanks.
Posted by: Nathan Logan | Feb 20, 2007 2:07:40 PM
I absolutely stick with your opinions and I have the same ideas. Thank you for the great article and it helps in my preparation for interview at Microsoft.
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